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Re:Some thoughts on security after ten years of Qmail 1.0 by BurritoAlPastor on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:24AM (#16166351)
This is a fine sentiment, but it's hardly a bright-line rule. We don't criticize Twitter's handling of abuse or fascists because they promised us a platform free of abusive fascists; Twitter didn't promise us shit except 140 character messages. All the problems were emergent.

So many of the great (financial) success stories of our sector are about startups stumbling into an untapped demand, and then running with it for as long as the money lasts. Nobody sets out to build a bridge – they build a 2x4 plank, and then realize that rather a lot of people want to walk on it.

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Re:Some thoughts on security after ten years of Qmail 1.0 by oblio on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @05:07AM (#16166791)
In a sense, software engineering is quite mature. It's probably matured a lot faster than most other engineering branches.

We know about static analysis, fuzzing, unit testing, integration testing, functional testing, Continuous Integration/Deployment/Delivery, etc., etc.

It's just that maturity costs a lot of money. 95% of the software produced just doesn't need that and the client can't even afford it.

Re:Some thoughts on security after ten years of Qmail 1.0 by pjmlp on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @09:22AM (#16168056)
Most people also cannot afford to buy cars or houses in one go, yet regulations don't get ignored because of them.
Re:Some thoughts on security after ten years of Qmail 1.0 by oblio on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @09:35AM (#16168146)
There is almost no way we can compare cars and houses with the average CRUD software, in terms of damage they can do to a person.

More than that, even in the case where damage does happen, most people would rate physical damage higher than non-physical damage, for example monetary loss.

Re:Some thoughts on security after ten years of Qmail 1.0 by pjmlp on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @10:16AM (#16168549)
Surely we can, it is all a matter of what CRUD software is managing.

There are institutions that rate what the damage actually means.