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Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by HeavenFox on Monday January 15, 2018 @07:34PM (#16154820)
I find it really hard to agree with you. Maybe you flew exclusively in business or first class?

> its not 11 abreast pack-em-in which is what the 787 has done

787 is designed for 8-abreast seating. In reality, carriers almost always went for 9-abreast. 11-abreast is physically impossible. It is possible in an A380 though, and airlines are really considering it.

> ... and its a premium quality experience

How is flying on an A380 premium experience? When you pack more people in the same plane, boarding and deplaning takes longer, food and beverage service takes longer, getting checked luggage takes longer, and the immigration queue gets longer. There's a higher chance a crying baby will be there to ruin your sleep, and I really hate the curvature of the fuselage, which makes it impossible to rest my head against it. Yes, I'd pick a Singapore A380 over a United 787, but it has nothing to do with the type of the plane. It's a soft product problem.

Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by holografix on Monday January 15, 2018 @09:51PM (#16155416)
All the “gets longer” reasons you state here are solved by the “add more staff” and “use more exits” options.

I also live in Australia and have flown both the Dreamliner and A380 and if possible will always choose the A380.

Far roomier plane, much quieter and even though it may be just a coincidence every time it seems to suffer far less turbulence.

Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by sho on Monday January 15, 2018 @10:58PM (#16155704)
> it seems to suffer far less turbulence

That's not a coincidence. It makes perfect sense that a large heavy aircraft like the 380 will be harder for wind and air pockets to push it around, just like big ships are far more stable than smaller ones. There's a world of difference between coming into (say) Singapore with its turbulent tropical air on a little a320 and a giant like a 380.

I've been on narrowbody flights where we bounced around like we were inside a washing machine; in a 380 i've barely ever had to even pick up my drink!

Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by FabHK on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @09:16AM (#16158274)
The relevant metric (at least in theory) is wing loading, that is supported weight per wing area. Having said that, I find the A380 super smooth (I also take care that I sit near the wing/center of gravity).
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by thaumasiotes on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @01:57AM (#16156333)
> All the “gets longer” reasons you state here are solved by the “add more staff” and “use more exits” options.

No. Longer immigration queues could be solved by the government adding more staff, but they cannot be solved by the airline adding more staff, and the airline is the one buying or otherwise choosing to use the plane.

Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by bergie on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @05:45AM (#16157211)
Automation is the other solution. For example in Helsinki-Vantaa, there are far more automated passport check gates than there are traditional immigration desks: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/3176184017

Even at SFO I've gotten to fill the immigration questionnaire a few times with a self-service machine, greatly reducing the time spent on the process.

Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by thriftwy on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @02:42AM (#16156481)
They should definitely pressure the airport (to pressure the government) to create a few of those precious New Jobs and add some more people to immigration. It's just ridiculous in many airports, particularly in Europe. And it's been done, it's not like it's some pipe dream.
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by thaumasiotes on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @02:50AM (#16156499)
"Let's do the same amount of work with more people" opens the government up to a certain amount of criticism.
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by thriftwy on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @06:24AM (#16157399)
Do I really have to explain to them how to do their job?
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by thaumasiotes on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @02:20PM (#16161316)
You're the one suggesting New Jobs. By hypothesis, larger planes mean that arrivals are more concentrated, leading to longer lines, but not that there are more arrivals.
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by erispoe on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @03:31AM (#16156626)
I have flown the A380 in economy multiple times. It is a premium experience. The plane is so big that you don't feel turbulences as much. And it's relatively new, so it's very silent. On the upper deck, because of cabin curvature, window seats have a large armrest opening and doubling as a generous chest where you can put all your stuff and keep your legs free of clutter.
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by gadders on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @10:34AM (#16158867)
Certainly when I flew economy with Emirates, it compared with Premium Economy on Virgin, and was much better than any other economy airlines I've flown.
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by Arn_Thor on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @03:31AM (#16156625)
The plane feels more spacious (taller ceiling in the walkway), the seats are bigger and spaced further, at least on Emirates. Added doors on some airports makes the embarkation and disembarkation feel about the same as on any other plane. I prefer aisle so I haven't noticed anything wrong with the curve of the walls.
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by _s on Monday January 15, 2018 @08:23PM (#16155057)
Not OP but I will go out of my way to select Airbus jets; their NVH is noticeably lower than Boeings jets, which results in a far more comfortable travel, especially long-haul (A380 being up there in terms of comfort).
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by mixmastamyk on Monday January 15, 2018 @10:50PM (#16155663)
NVH?
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by keir-rex on Monday January 15, 2018 @11:51PM (#16155920)
It’s a regular occurrence on HN someone dropping an acronym that is so obscure or specific to the topic at hand, and without explanation, that no amount of googleitsu will find the correct decoding. In this case it was pretty easy,nvh = noise, vibration, harshness.
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by jzl on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @01:38AM (#16156271)
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by King-Aaron on Monday January 15, 2018 @11:38PM (#16155871)
Noise/Vibrations/Harshness
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by jandrese on Monday January 15, 2018 @09:04PM (#16155215)
Personally I find Boeing seats to be more comfortable than Airbus seats. Maybe it's just my butt but it is noticeable.
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by Someone1234 on Monday January 15, 2018 @09:48PM (#16155401)
Neither one is a seat manufacturer.

Airline seats are independently purchased, and while both Boeing and Airbus have contracts for factory installed seating (and for their demo aircraft), most larger airlines seem to independently source and install their own seats. One seat model could appear on both an Airbus and Boeing aircraft.

See: http://www.airlineupdate.com/content_subscription/interiors/...

Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by jsjohnst on Monday January 15, 2018 @09:53PM (#16155425)
Except for the 787. If memory is correct, Boeing dictates what brand / models of seat is used in the 787 (something rather unusual). I can try and find a source if needed, but I’m pretty sure I heard that from a reliable source.
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by cr1895 on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @04:42AM (#16156900)
So does that mean the placement of the overhead light/call button is the same in all of them?

I had an economy comfort seat on a KLM 787 recently and the buttons were affixed to the inside of the seat arm at leg level, and not recessed. I kept turning on the overhead light with my leg all through the night. Infuriatingly poor design. A few mm's more recess would likely have made it much harder to accidentally press.

Overall quite a negative first 787 experience...

Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by jfyne on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @10:33AM (#16158852)
Norwegian 787s have the light and call buttons as part of the touch screen display in front of you. So different per customer
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by cr1895 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:48AM (#16166460)
Ah, I wonder if only the bulkhead seats are different. In those the display isn't always in front of you so the light control has to be available elsewhere.

Next time I'll avoid a bulkhead seat in any case.

Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by Someone1234 on Monday January 15, 2018 @09:59PM (#16155448)
Their contract with LIFT by EnCore on a single aircraft type doesn't negate the point I made. Which was that neither aircraft manufacturer is a seat manufacturer, and that most seats aren't aircraft manufacturer exclusives.

Seat manufacturers produce seats for both Boeing and Airbus aircraft and aside from brackets, they're identical. So claiming that one manufacturer is more comfortable than the other is a little odd, given the market realities in the industry.

Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by jsjohnst on Monday January 15, 2018 @10:08PM (#16155482)
I didn’t disagree with your core point (in fact, I completely agree with it). I was just clarifying that in the case of the 787, it wasn’t the airline’s choice.
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by jandrese on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @09:26AM (#16158352)
Weird then that the seats they install in Airbus jets are distinct from the ones they install in Boeing jets.
Re:Airbus A380, Once the Future of Aviation, May Cease Produ... by ggm on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @05:58PM (#16163603)
Yes. huge bad on my part, mistaking nine for eleven. In my defence, I cite stupidity, parity error and failed arithmetic in kindy twice.

The eight-vs-nine thing, very quickly becomes the ten-vs-elevn thing in larger widebody jets. Its a double squeeze: both on the functional seat width, and on the consequence of 3 or 4 or 5 abreast seating and the middle seat passenger.