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Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists by ajmurmann on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @12:58AM (#16112851)
In Europe the residential area would either 1. Have no signs resulting in the car to the right getting the right of way 2. One road gets a right of way sign and the other road had to yield.

I strongly prefer those setups because they are much more fuel efficient.

However, I don't think any of that would work in the UD because it would require real driving classes and tests. I had to drive around for close to 20 hours with a professional driving teacher on to of dozens of hours of theoretical classes. All that end in a 30min+ examination with a examiner in the back of the car putting me through as many challenging situations as possible.

Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists by nostrademons on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @01:09AM (#16112878)
In the urban eastern U.S. apartment buildings usually run right up to the road, except a ~ 1-3meter sidewalk. There isn't sufficient visibility to yield safely; both directions have to come to a stop anyway to check for cross traffic.

In the western U.S. (and eastern suburbs) the 4-way stops are largely vestigial; I'd agree that most of them could go away without any loss of safety. Many of the newer neighborhoods are signed that way anyway, though - I just drove through one this morning with 2-way yields.

My driver's ed class was IIRC 36 hours of instruction and 12 hours in the car, with a professional driving teacher. It had an hour long examination putting me through as many challenging situations as possible at the end.

Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists by Scarblac on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @03:54AM (#16113441)
It's also a matter of being used to bicycle traffic, and training. In the Netherlands in a residential area there are probably more bicycles than cars, so every car driver is used to being careful at junctions.

And on average a person needs 38 hours in the car with a professional teacher before they pass the exam, most people don't pass on the first try.

Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists by tc313 on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @01:23AM (#16112922)
Most middle- and upper-class Americans take a driver’s education course (like what you’ve described) prior to receiving their driver’s license. In 10 years it won’t even be necessary because nobody’s going to be driving themselves anyway.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists by adrianN on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @01:31AM (#16112947)
A lot of the cars on the road right now are ten years old or older. Even if self driving cars became a thing that anybody can afford right now it would take longer than ten years before nobody had to drive themselves.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists by ptaipale on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @09:52AM (#16115265)
In my country (Finland), the average age of cars used in traffic is 13 years.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists by Piskvorrr on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @03:31AM (#16113353)
Except pedestrians, bikers, cyclists, etcetera. (Plus you are overestimating the rate of change: I still see horse carriages on the road, 100+ years after the beginning of the car era)

And don't get me started on driver ed in PA, USA: in my case, it consisted of a video, signing an drivers' permit application - and voila, go out there and drive (under supervision). I was shocked, shocked.

Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists by chillydawg on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @04:00AM (#16113467)
In the UK you can get a provisional license that allows supervised driving with zero training. It's assumed your supervisor (anyone holding a driving licence for something like 7 years or more) will stop you doing stupid shit.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists by Piskvorrr on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @06:37AM (#16114222)
Interesting. I was so used to the continental idea "driver school takes at least weeks and is like any other training, except it's in a car" that the opposite approach was highly unexpected to me; it does make sense though.
Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists by gambiting on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @05:46AM (#16113994)
>> In 10 years it won’t even be necessary because nobody’s going to be driving themselves anyway.

Try 50+ years. Driverless cars aren't happening anytime soon, and certainly not to a level where you literally don't need a licence to drive one.

Re:A Type of Road Junction that Kills Cyclists by zimpenfish on Wednesday January 10, 2018 @09:59AM (#16115321)
And public transport definitely isn't going to be taking up the slack given the catastrophic decline in public investment therein.