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Re:Snow shovelling can kill by mikestew on Monday January 08, 2018 @04:51PM (#16100992)
Sexist or not, I rarely see women shoveling snow. My wife will on occasion (and even less so now that we live in Seattle), but it's almost always been me because, well, I'm better built for it.

But what I didn't hear mentioned is that women have a much lower risk for heart attacks until menopause. And I don't know that I've ever seen a 55 year old woman shoveling snow (again, anecdata). If you strapping young lads were raised right, you'd go down and do it for her since you already have the shovel out. :-)

More so, shoveling snow is amazingly hard work on a level that most people probably rarely experience. I'm a lifelong distance runner with a healthy heart (though weeny little runner arms), and shoveling sure gets my heart going. I can't imagine the strain on a 54 year old guy with a beer gut who spends most of his day sitting. That does sound like a recipe for a heart attack.

Re:Snow shovelling can kill by roywiggins on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:04PM (#16101116)
On the other hand, women who do have heart attacks do not do as well, at least partly because people assume they aren't having one.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42590013

Re:Snow shovelling can kill by klipt on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:11PM (#16101186)
Probably the same reason that men have lower breast cancer survival rates than women - the common assumption is that it's a gender specific disease, which delays diagnosis and treatment: http://www.breastcancer.org/research-news/20120517
Re:Snow shovelling can kill by mikestew on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:11PM (#16101189)
Yeah, I almost typed "immune" before menopause, but that's not entirely accurate. And as you point out, it implies that a pre-menopausal woman having a heart attack just doesn't happen. Hell, my brother-in-law had an nearly fatal heart attack when he was 34 (bad genetics, helped along by too much drinking and smoking). Gender and number of wrinkles are just data points, but not the deciders of who's having a heart attack and who's not when their arm goes numb.
Re:Snow shovelling can kill by scooter_de on Monday January 08, 2018 @04:57PM (#16101047)
My wife wen't out first to shovel this morning and she's 54 :-).
Re:Snow shovelling can kill by lhorie on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:13PM (#16101208)
Anecdata indeed. I've seen women shovel snow all the time
Re:Snow shovelling can kill by lloeki on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:17PM (#16101262)
Another data point here. In my general neighborhood who was shoveling mostly depended on who was up or had to go to work first.
Re:Snow shovelling can kill by King-Aaron on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @03:21AM (#16104458)
I've never seen anyone shovel snow :(

(i.e. anecdotes in this sort of topic aren't useful)

Re:Snow shovelling can kill by jakobegger on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:48PM (#16101561)
My girlfriend shovels snow, and so does my mother (age 65). Just to add some anecdata :)
Re:Snow shovelling can kill by dazc on Monday January 08, 2018 @06:26PM (#16101907)
'Just to add some anecdata'

Is 2018 the year when anecdata becomes a thing, I wonder?

Re:Snow shovelling can kill by arca_vorago on Monday January 08, 2018 @06:34PM (#16101989)
If we make it so. I had to duckduckgo it to make sure it was correct, but I like it and am adopting it. Seems more efficient to just say "anecdata" than "anecdotal evidence".

Now back OT, I find little microcosm issues like this that show a gender disparity very interesting given the current cultural climate. It shows that in many ways the inequality doesn't exist unidirectionally between male and female in all areas (though it does in some). Physical labor jobs are a great particular example of this.

The real lesson I've learned over the years is appreciation. Men tend to really not understand just how much women do for them or the family (I tried the househusband thing for a bit and learned much of it the hard way), but the reverse is true also, women often really don't understand how much men do for them or the family either. If we all just worked a bit more on saying "thank you" I think the world would be a better place.

Re:Snow shovelling can kill by freehunter on Monday January 08, 2018 @06:58PM (#16102164)
With as much as gets thrown around on the Internet, I think it's time to start looking into building anecdata analysis tools and maybe even a big anecdata platform. Anecdata science is going to be a huge field!
Re:Snow shovelling can kill by zzzcpan on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:30PM (#16101402)
Shoveling the next day is also likely to happen in the morning, maybe slightly after. At this time the blood pressure is rising close to its peak or even already peaking. The riskiest time to do hard physical work.

EDIT: why all the downvotes though? Do some people think doing physical work at peak blood pressure is not risky? It's not an anecdata.

Re:Snow shovelling can kill by matte_black on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:36PM (#16101447)
So these morning gym workouts are killing us!?
Re:Snow shovelling can kill by woolvalley on Monday January 08, 2018 @06:20PM (#16101861)
Have you tried weight lifting soon after you wake up vs 2pm in the afternoon? The strength difference is telling.
Re:Snow shovelling can kill by matte_black on Monday January 08, 2018 @10:30PM (#16103379)
There were several years where that was basically my routine. Wake up, eat a bit, go to the gym, weightlift, go home.

I’ve been weightlifting for about 12 years though.

Re:Snow shovelling can kill by dazc on Monday January 08, 2018 @06:30PM (#16101948)
No. I already know this is not a good idea but, strangely, I wouldn't have previously applied this obvious logic to shovelling snow?
Re:Snow shovelling can kill by groom on Monday January 08, 2018 @07:04PM (#16102204)
I live in Maine, and plow snow for a property management company. Women would make great shovelers, but you never seem them doing it. It's probably because you're often called at midnight to meet some other sketchy guys who somehow enjoy shoveling for the next 8 hours without a break.
Re:Snow shovelling can kill by fyrepuffs on Monday January 08, 2018 @09:34PM (#16103051)
That's because they are too busy doing pretty much everything else: dinner planning, shopping and cooking, laundry, cleaning the house, looking after and managing kids and working full-time.
Re:Snow shovelling can kill by malchow on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:06PM (#16101142)
It's amazingly hard work in the cold. Which means it takes longer for the unpleasant feeling of sweat to reach the gloriously provider-focused man-brain. So men just keep pushing through. The impulse to push through has probably saved more lives than it has claimed over the centuries, I reckon.

I like that this article came out the same day that the Damore stuff is being rehashed.