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Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by golergka on Friday December 29, 2017 @04:35AM (#16028588)
I don't understand these arguments. Are they forcing players to do it? If the players are well aware of health risks and still make decision to play the game, how is the sports organization to blame?
Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by clort on Friday December 29, 2017 @04:53AM (#16028643)
Your premise is wrong. It sounds as if it should be right, but the framing is awry

The players are not really aware of the health risks, furthermore they are young and foolish and impressionable and are following the path of glamour which has been sold to them as youngsters.

The sports organization is aware of the risks and are using the players to make vast sums for themselves, they are pushing the glamourous path and they are not supporting the discarded players. They are ignoring the debt to society incurred generating their profit and that is not good unless you think that their tax payments should cover it (do they? I don't know..)

Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by FLUX-YOU on Friday December 29, 2017 @07:01AM (#16029051)
>The players are not really aware of the health risks, furthermore they are young and foolish and impressionable and are following the path of glamour which has been sold to them as youngsters.

I think a great deal of them would still choose to play despite knowing the risks. There are likely neighborhoods where people raise families that are less safe than playing in the NFL.

And I'm sorry, but 25 year olds are not "young and impressionable" any more, so I don't buy that defense. These are adults making adult decisions: http://www.footballperspective.com/2016-av-adjusted-team-age...

What I would buy as a defense is that NFL has a serious amount of propaganda and actively works to suppress medical knowledge which can fool anyone, child or adult.

It is a very similar kind of propaganda for selling military careers by associating it with video games to high schoolers except that you can actually join the US military at 17 with parental consent.

Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by dyeje on Friday December 29, 2017 @08:51AM (#16029449)
> I think a great deal of them would still choose to play despite knowing the risks. There are likely neighborhoods where people raise families that are less safe than playing in the NFL.

Yes, some of these athletes are choosing between sports and poverty. That's another reason why it's messed up, not why it's okay.

Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by dhimes on Friday December 29, 2017 @07:38AM (#16029182)
And 17-18 yo is the age of accepting a football scholarship to an NCAA school.
Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by clort on Friday December 29, 2017 @08:22AM (#16029343)
I see what you are saying but its framed wrongly, again. That is the average age of the team players. Do you know the average age of player entering the team? (average career length might be helpful?) Also, what is the average age of the people who dream of playing on the team, or who are making decisions that would lead to them being on such a team?

I might agree that 25 is an adult but lets be realistic here.. if you can find somebody who at that age made the decision to join the sport and actually got into a pro team, well I'll be amazed!

Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by darkerside on Friday December 29, 2017 @09:31AM (#16029590)
> I think a great deal of them would still choose to play despite knowing the risks

Nice guess, but that's not your decision to make. I'm not sure what movie you watched that gave you such a deep understanding of the trade offs, but is it possible you don't fully understand them?

> 25 year olds are not "young and impressionable" any more

They're not? News to me. Maybe I'm just getting old.

Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by mbesto on Friday December 29, 2017 @10:39AM (#16029944)
> And I'm sorry, but 25 year olds are not "young and impressionable" any more, so I don't buy that defense.

I'll say this because it fits the demographic here on HN, but have you ever met mid-20-something techies in the bay area? My experience has been that many of them are still very impressionable. Being technically an adult doesn't magically make you immune to being impressionable.

Remember the state of being impressionable is about a lack of critical thinking. Given what we've seen with the recent election, it seems very plausible that many adults lack critical thinking. No?

Looking at this more objectively - 1 out of 4 college football players drops out of school and doesn't finish their degree. Also, more objectively, at the age of 25, you're only a third of the way through your expected life (~78). So, yes these people are still considered "young".

Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by azernik on Friday December 29, 2017 @08:04AM (#16029266)
This particular thread was about the NCAA, which does recruit players at 17-18 (just entering college).
Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by 0x445442 on Friday December 29, 2017 @10:24AM (#16029852)
The recruiting actually starts earlier than that for the most gifted players.
Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by FLUX-YOU on Friday December 29, 2017 @08:20AM (#16029326)
Oh. I should read more.
Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by yjftsjthsd-h on Friday December 29, 2017 @07:53AM (#16029233)
> a great deal of them would still choose to play despite knowing the risks

Good, then this is easy: let's tell them, and make it their choice.

Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by undersuit on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:06PM (#16031236)
>I think a great deal of them would still choose to play despite knowing the risks.

They would still play even if we took steps to minimize the risks.

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Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by dang on Friday December 29, 2017 @11:02AM (#16030081)
Your last several comments all break the HN guidelines by being uncivil and/or unsubstantive and/or flamebait. We've warned you about this before. If you keep doing this, we're going to ban your account.

We do appreciate your substantive posts but you're damaging the site with these other ones, which are not at all the kind of internet forum HN is trying to be.

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Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by msingle on Friday December 29, 2017 @06:48AM (#16029006)
I think you meant NCAA (not NAACP)
Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by rjtavares on Friday December 29, 2017 @04:47AM (#16028622)
It really depends on where you stand on the freedom vs society protection debate.

Some think that society should protect vulnerable individuals (in this case, mostly poor people that see in football a way to get well-off/rich) from predatory organizations (in this case, a monopolistic organization that has proven to have no regard for the health of its workers).

Notice that most people aren't asking for a ban of the sport - just some rule changes to minimize the health risks.

Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by macintux on Friday December 29, 2017 @10:01AM (#16029739)
Admittedly I haven't looked to see what proposals are out there, but I have a really hard time picturing rule changes that could minimize the risks. The game seems designed explicitly to cause harm.
Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by adanto6840 on Friday December 29, 2017 @04:46AM (#16028621)
College with $50k+ of debt, if even able/eligible to get in -- versus "free" college. In many cases I suspect it's the "only chance" for some of these kids and, at best, it's extreme exhortation for most all of them.
Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by golergka on Friday December 29, 2017 @04:20PM (#16032065)
I wasn't aware that people without college education in US suffer from mass starvation and getting it is a matter of life and death.
Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by pizza on Saturday December 30, 2017 @12:29AM (#16033989)
You jest, but I've been noticing over time that that kind of joke is, very gradually, but definitely, becoming less of a joke that gets as big a laugh as it might have in, say, 2006.
Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by mobilefriendly on Friday December 29, 2017 @04:43AM (#16028611)
95% of the people playing contact football are minor children. The NFL and NCAA, and their equipment partners, underwrite and promote the youth sport but do little to mitigate the brain injury issue...frankly it is unethical to permit under-18 kids to play contact football.
Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by lbotos on Friday December 29, 2017 @08:17AM (#16029313)
Let us also remember that to a large swath of Americans youth, sport is seen as an avenue out of poverty. You better believe that if it was your "one shot" to change social class, you might take it at 16 without thinking about the literal brain impact.

It's literally the closest thing you can get to modern day gladiators.

Re:Concussion doctor says he found CTE in living NFL player by pizza on Friday December 29, 2017 @05:31AM (#16028742)
Evil runs on volunteers better than it does coerced conscripts.