Ellis & Taylor: https://youtu.be/RNXNrPwyJuk

The Tenderloin is a shithole. Don't go there. And don't park your car on the street down there unless you like replacing window glass. Loads of shady looking people standing around, selling and buying crack, screaming at the top of their lungs at ghosts as they zigzag down the street dodging cars, and homeless people shitting and pissing on the sidewalks. Also lots of petty theft and assault, and the SFPD doesn't do much about it.

It's not at all a no-go area. The Tenderloin is one of the most expensive and desirable neighborhoods in SF. It's no worse than the Mission or 6th and Market. It's definitely the best place I lived in all of SF, including the Mission, SOMA, and the Sunset. No wonder people are paying $3-4k a month for studios there. Yes, there are drug spots and such but it's definitely not a place to fear or avoid. That's nonsense.

This is the first time I've heard about The Tenderloin being a desirable neighborhood. Are you sure you were actually living in the Tenderloin and not one of its adjacent neighborhoods?

Yes. I'm also sure of my rent going up $600 in one year and not being able to afford to live there anymore.

I've never felt unsafe walking around in the Tenderloin, e.g. carrying an infant. The main 'problem' people have is that there are poor people living there in SROs, and a good number of homeless people loitering all the time. But they mostly keep to themselves. Some folks certainly have substance abuse or mental health problems and will be talking to themselves, and if you walk through you might get shouted at, and sometimes there is a shouting match out in public, and statistically there is some amount of crime between residents, but it's generally not a physical threat to people walking through. It is by no means a 'no-go area'.

> I've never felt unsafe walking around in the Tenderloin, e.g. carrying an infant.

Are you joking? Or just insane?

I'm a 160 lbs male and would not walk through the tenderloin at night. It's really fucking scary. Almost everyone there is homeless and on drugs. The bad kind of drugs.

I would go so far as to say that someone carrying an infant through that area might be endangering the child.

Kid or no kid, the Tenderloin is fine as long as you "fit in"... but if it looks like you can be scared out of some cash, you will get the predatory stare.

My wife got attacked in San Francisco in Tenderloin around 11am, a few blocks away from Clift Hotel on the second day of the trip. I guess her carrying a Starbucks cup made her a target.

The fact that SF tolerates shit like this under the banner of "acceptance", "it is mental health" or whatever the hell it may be is mind blowing.

CCW would help, though that’s not available in CA.

Between hot coffee into his face and her doing a little bit of a small joint manipulation, she was fine. Just shocked.

People living in a snooty wealthy bubble get 'really fucking scared' pretty easily. It's not like drug addicts sitting on the sidewalk go out of their way to attack strangers walking by in the middle of a busy public street. I'm not recommending you find a big angry looking person and insult his mother.

There are lots of people with kids who live in the Tenderloin and presumably pass through their own neighborhood at all hours.

Walking around near poor homeless people now counts as 'child endangerment' I guess...

Not to be mean but 160 lbs isn't heavy at all. If you're pushing 200 lbs and go to the gym regularly you'll have a lot less people bothering you on the street. I still wouldn't recommend walking through the Tenderloin alone though.

> I would go so far as to say that someone carrying an infant through that area might be endangering the child.

This is nonsense. You must be extremely easily scared. For normal people, it's perfectly fine.

Looks like a proper shithole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zzhVQRO9jY

I mean I've lived in Bolivia and never seen _anything_ as bad as this at it's worst, in Bolivia's worst areas.

Do people in Bolivia shit on the side of the street or in other public areas? Because that's what they do in SF. So many homeless people shit on the BART escalator that it once took a station's escalations out of service.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Human-waste-shuts-down...

Shitting onto the escalator? How exactly? Is it moving during the process?

Yes, off hours it's one of the few places people can defecate in almost private (thanks to its side walls).

Privacy isn't necessary. Homeless people shit right on Market street in broad daylight.