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Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by RiderOfGiraffes on Wednesday August 11, 2010 @05:50PM (#1596274)
I have an unpublished, unfinished PhD thesis investigating this question. I'm working on getting permission to publish it, but for now I can only give you the summary.

The author administered standardised personality tests to people tested as fluently bi-lingual in English and German. Each of the four possibilities was tested. Everyone got both tests, some tested first in English, the others first in German. Each group had roughly equal numbers of those claiming English as their first language and those claiming German as their first language.

The data showed two distinct types of behaviour. Some of those tested showed no personality shift at all, while others showed an unmistakable change. There were none who changed a little - either they did, or they didn't.

It's been suggested that those who didn't change were, for example, compound bilinguals, whereas those who did were coordinates. Or vice versa.

The conclusion was that a personality shift for some types of bilinguals is clear and unavoidable.

I really hope I can get this material onto the web.

ADDED IN EDIT: Separating the effects of cultural influences from those of the language itself is difficult, and the author of the thesis went to great lengths to look for changes based on the language. that's what makes this research so important (in my opinion). My next step is to contact the supervisor(s) of the candidate, but that's awkward. Working on it.

Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by jacquesm on Wednesday August 11, 2010 @07:09PM (#1596532)
Here's a bit of my experience to back up how hard it is to separate out the cultural aspect: The English singular 'you' has two words for it in German, 'sie' and 'du'.

The first one is used in situations where there is some distance between the speakers, the second when they are (much) more familiar. It used to be fairly unheard of to hear a German 'subordinate' use 'du' to their superior, whereas in English it would be impossible to even express the difference.

So in Germany workplace relationships tend to have a sense of distance between the various strata. Even if you didn't want to change your personality the simple fact that you'd address your superior in this way would make you behave differently (and so you would show a more deferential personality), because associated with that distance are a whole pile of other personal traits.

It's not as strict as it used to be, but the difference is definitely still there.

Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by samatman on Wednesday August 11, 2010 @09:34PM (#1596862)
Korean and Japanese have several levels of deference, which go beyond a simple dual 2nd person pronoun. There are, for example, different 1st person pronouns which are used for self-reference when the listener is of various social ranks, or under different social circumstances.

In Japanese, for example, a man will say "watashi" for "I" under formal circumstances, and "ore" while getting a beer with the mates.

Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by sparky on Wednesday August 11, 2010 @07:30PM (#1596586)
Same in Spanish ('usted' and 'tu', respectively).
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by shrikant on Wednesday August 11, 2010 @07:55PM (#1596642)
And in most Indian languages.
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by CWuestefeld on Wednesday August 11, 2010 @08:05PM (#1596659)
And French, "tu" (familiar singular) and "vous" (formal singular, or plural).

English used to have "thou", but of course that's long since extinct.

Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by eipipuz on Thursday August 12, 2010 @01:56AM (#1597347)
Trivia, "thou" was actually the informal pronoun.

On the other hand in Mexican Spanish, "usted" is fading away. It's curious how different cultures get rid of different options.

Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by hernan7 on Thursday August 12, 2010 @01:29PM (#1598641)
"Usted" is alive and well in Argentinian Spanish. Divided by a common language indeed...
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by antirez on Wednesday August 11, 2010 @09:30PM (#1596845)
In Italian is almost like that: "tu" (familiar) and "voi" (very formal) or "lei" (less formal)
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by mitjak on Wednesday August 11, 2010 @11:51PM (#1597146)
And Russian.
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by yread on Thursday August 12, 2010 @04:03AM (#1597526)
And Czech. And Dutch
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by iacvlvs on Thursday August 12, 2010 @05:48AM (#1597660)
And Afrikaans: jy (familiar), u (ever so formal), but u is (or seems to be) falling out of common use.
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by gokhan on Thursday August 12, 2010 @09:21AM (#1597987)
And in Turkish. "Sen" ve "Siz".
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by jpablo on Thursday August 12, 2010 @11:12AM (#1598270)
And Spanish, "Tu" vs "Usted" vs "Vos"
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by revorad on Thursday August 12, 2010 @01:02PM (#1598579)
Hindi has three - tu, tum and aap. I explained some of this on my Hindi lessons site - http://hindipedia.com/hindi-video-lesson-04-pronouns.
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by ahoyhere on Thursday August 12, 2010 @06:49AM (#1597745)
The problem with the German version is that "Sie" also means "she" and "they". Usted at least does not mean "she."

So, are you talking about your sister… or are you talking to your superior? (My 2nd most hated thing about German.)

Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by skalpelis on Thursday August 12, 2010 @12:29PM (#1598492)
Italian also has "Lei" which means both she and you (in the formal sense).
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by c00ki3s on Thursday August 12, 2010 @03:16PM (#1598923)
But English has rules too. Not as clear cut as German, but you wouldn't say 'sup mate?' to you boss, you use a different vocabulary when talking to a superior.
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by ez77 on Thursday August 12, 2010 @03:38AM (#1597498)
As it used to be in English: "thou" and "you".
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by pradocchia on Wednesday August 11, 2010 @06:15PM (#1596355)
I'd definitely fall into the coordinate bilingual w/ personality shift camp. I think, speak and act in one language or the other, and have difficultly translating, though my comprehension is fluent, like two hemispheres of the brain with impaired communication.
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by nikhilgk on Thursday August 12, 2010 @10:04AM (#1598095)
I think two other variables needs to be factored in: cultural influence of the native speakers of the languages and the age at which you acquire the. I can attest to the second factor because I learned four languages before I was six (typical if you grow up in India) and still use three of them almost every day and I do not feel any discernible personality change when I shift the language I speak or think in.
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by 321speak on Thursday August 12, 2010 @05:09AM (#1597604)
I would be very interested in this thesis, is there any way I could get an advance copy? it relates to my start-up, 321speak.com
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by RiderOfGiraffes on Thursday August 12, 2010 @09:51AM (#1598071)
No, sorry. As I say, it's unfinished, it's not mine, and I specifically don't have permission to disseminate it. I can talk about what I know from it, but I can't quote from it. You might email me with any specific questions and I'll answer them if I can.
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by Sukotto on Thursday August 12, 2010 @09:28AM (#1598006)
Why do you need permission to post your own writing? Do you sign some kind of NDA when you enter a phd program?
Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by RiderOfGiraffes on Thursday August 12, 2010 @01:51PM (#1598694)
It's not mine, and it's a long story. The short version is that a chap I know - nowin his 70s - never finished his PhD. We were chatting about the SWH and linguistic relativism and he mentioned it. I asked to see it, he loaned it to me - with permission to copy - provided I never made any of it public.

I'm slowly trying to persuade him that it wouldn't be a bad thing, but it's slow work. He also has the early symptoms of Alzheimer's, so it may never happen.

Re:Do you have a different personality when you speak a diff... by baxter on Thursday August 12, 2010 @06:52AM (#1597749)
Does this relate at all to linguistic relativity?