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Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by masswerk on Monday December 11, 2017 @03:34PM (#15900188)
I know, this may be unpopular in context, but are there any updates on the Estonian ID-cards?

News as of November were that they were (temporarily) locked-down [1] and are to be reissued until next March [2] in reaction to the RSA related security flaws [3] in the libraries bundled with the Infineon chip. Is this even an issue, or is everyone using a phone app, instead of the cards, anyway?

[1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/03/estonian_e_id_lockd...

[2] http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41858583

[3] https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/09/security_flaw...

Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by sccxy on Monday December 11, 2017 @04:40PM (#15900733)
Most people who use ID card every day have updated certs remotely or went to police office. I would say government handled it pretty well.

Problematic was communication with card maker Gemalto, who didn't inform Estonia about security flaws properly. Gemalto was informed by researchers in March. These researchers informed Estonian government in August. Few days after that prime minister announced security problems.

Things would have been a lot of easier if Gemalto didn't hide the problem from the government.

Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by adrianratnapala on Monday December 11, 2017 @05:15PM (#15901037)
Chances are that the contractual arrangements that routinely exist between governments and contractors like Gemalto make "blameless post mortems" non-profitable. It's a tricky thing to do right, because you do want to have accountability in the contract.

Governments (rightly) want contractors like this as experts-on-tap in the technology under consideration. But what you really want is not exactly a provider of the technology, but rather an advisor or partner in the process of implementing your process. I don't think we know how to structure a non-nepotistic relationship of that kind.

Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by r00fus on Monday December 11, 2017 @07:57PM (#15902219)
That's usually why projects of this size have multiple parties involved aside from directly contracting with the vendor.

As much as it's easy to hate on the Big4 consulting companies, they exist for this reason among others (some of which have more to do with how to grease the skids with pork).

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Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by akoncius on Monday December 11, 2017 @07:03PM (#15901960)
> The Soviet Socialist Republic of Estonia would have had access to some of the best, but not anymore.

wat

Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by jpatokal on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:12AM (#15903604)
Estonia was a part of the Soviet Union, and the Soviets had some pretty good crypto by Cold War standards.
Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by akoncius on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @05:44AM (#15904505)
yeah, and we see now how "democratic" is Russia now, so your observations about Soviet Union crypto specialists and this topic about Estonia's E-systems is totally unrelated.
Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by sccxy on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @07:28AM (#15905102)
Sorry, but calling todays Estonia 'the soviet socialist republic' is just plain stupid.

I haven't heard that Germany is called former na%i state when refering to country.

Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by _acme on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:06PM (#15908430)
Do you mean Nazi? At least in the US, it's legal to use that word.
Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by sccxy on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:19PM (#15908562)
Comment was blacklisted when written with z.

Probably too many 'offensive' keywords.

Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by thriftwy on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @03:02AM (#15903795)
Sovuets also had ever decreasing desire to do anything civilian.
Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by clon on Monday December 11, 2017 @03:54PM (#15900338)
Most people I interact with (here in EE) were not too much affected by the problem, since a lot of people actually use MobileID, with the crypto chip embedded in the SIM card of your smartphone, which was unaffected and available for like 10€ from each telco in Estonia. Saves you from lugging around a smartcard reader. Depending on your threat model, the fact that the PIN never enters computer memory is an advantage for MobileID, unless you prefer a proper PIN-pad reader.
Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by kadfak on Monday December 11, 2017 @04:15PM (#15900508)
We also have Smart-ID[1] now, a convenient alternative to Mobile-ID. Although not as widespread as Mobile-ID, most banks and government portals have already adopted it.

I personally prefer Smart-ID because of the low friction in getting started, compared to Mobile-ID where you have to get a SIM-card that supports it.

[1] https://www.smart-id.com/

Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by clon on Monday December 11, 2017 @04:30PM (#15900648)
It has to be said, however, that this is NOT a "legal" qualified digital identity or signing scheme, conceptually similar to any other commercial authentication tools like PIN calculators, codecards or what not. It is actually marketed as such and provided by the private sector.

The security assumptions for Smart-ID are far weaker than MobileID or ID-cards and actually no government institution will accept such signatures. You can sometimes use it for identity, for example the Tax Board allows you to authenticate via your bank, which in turn may support Smart-ID: https://www.emta.ee/eng

Since offering Mobile-ID actually costs a lot of money to banks (since there is no direct connection to the card via browser and a USB cable, you have to pay to use some API-s across SK.ee & telcos), it is the main motivation for developing it.

Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by erkkie on Monday December 11, 2017 @04:50PM (#15900820)
Conversely, it's a good tech demo of using the real power of the id card infrastructure, that is trust root federation. More of that kind of thinking could enable great things.
Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by daeroth on Monday December 11, 2017 @03:50PM (#15900317)
They released software that allowed you to update the certificates on your card.

They then gave a limited time frame for every one to migrate their cards over. Either with the software update or going to the police department and having them do it for you.

After the deadline they declared all older cards digitally invalid. Meaning that you can still use it as a physical ID but not for online auth or signing processes.

Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by clon on Monday December 11, 2017 @03:46PM (#15900283)
Not sure when physical replacements start shipping, but the latest companion software (https://id.ee) offers a pretty smooth online key regeneration feature.
Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by masswerk on Monday December 11, 2017 @03:57PM (#15900366)
Rolling out new physical cards in just a quarter of a year may be some feat. – Is there confidence in achieving this? Or is the key regeneration tool a complete replacement for the procedure?
Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by clon on Monday December 11, 2017 @04:05PM (#15900439)
The key regeneration is touted as a proper solution and the cards do not need to be replaced after the procedure. It takes advantage of ECDSA to circumvent the borked RSA.

https://github.com/open-eid/qesteidutil/commit/20ead85d31b0b...

There is a huge campaign going on with service points open even in shopping malls for people that do not manage the process at home. Initially there were some scaling problems, though..

Edit: to tell the truth, the information available in Estonia regarding the exact nature of the fix is still scarce. There has been some offhand remarks from RIA that the updater basically patches the microcode on the card to generate an EC keypair, but not a lot of details.. The basic premise that the new key is still generated on the card, still holds, apparently.

Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by logronoide on Monday December 11, 2017 @03:48PM (#15900301)
They asked for certificate updates to continue using the cards.

I don’t use them on a daily basis, because I use an app for authentication, much faster.

Re:Estonia, the Digital Republic by matiasb on Monday December 11, 2017 @03:45PM (#15900273)
I updated the certificates using the tool they provide. Anyway I'm using the app most of the time.