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Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by richardknop on Sunday November 26, 2017 @08:16AM (#15780752)
Facebook has to be broken down to pieces. I think it has reached a state where it cannot be allowed to continue as a single company being able to observe/monitor public and private communication / social interaction of so many people and not being regulated and controlled by the government.
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by b0rsuk on Sunday November 26, 2017 @08:34AM (#15780818)
I'm afraid it won't work well without extra regulation laws. Even if Facebook is broken, it has shown the way. Before, it was MySpace (although it was never so popular). If someone breaks FB, the strongest competitor living in its shadow will step up.

I think it is the nature of certain services to centralize. Search engines, social networks. Unless someone forces them to inter-operate, it's winner takes all.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by SomeStupidPoint on Sunday November 26, 2017 @09:34AM (#15781038)
> Unless someone forces them to inter-operate, it's winner takes all.

So you mandate inter-operation at the same time you break up the biggest, just like we've done with every other natural monopoly.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by saas_co_de on Sunday November 26, 2017 @10:03AM (#15781137)
I find it interesting that phone number portability was introduced long ago but no email or social profile portability.
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by MereInterest on Sunday November 26, 2017 @10:51AM (#15781388)
This is one of the main reasons why I have a custom domain for personal email. Right now, it forwards everything to gmail. In the future, I can have it forward to a different provider, or a mail server that I run (if I feel particularly masochistic). All of this without having to tell everyone I know to start using a different email address.
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by saagarjha on Sunday November 26, 2017 @10:28AM (#15781258)
While social media profile portability is generally impossible, almost all email providers will let you export email as a MBOX that you can then import into your new account.
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by saas_co_de on Sunday November 26, 2017 @10:36AM (#15781307)
Moving your existing emails is not equivalent to phone number portability. Equivalency would be allowing me to take my gmail address and have it point to Proton Mail instead of Gmail.

On the social network side full portability would mean being able to take your profile off of facebook but still having full interoperability with facebook so that users could still see your new posts and vice-versa.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by saagarjha on Sunday November 26, 2017 @10:46AM (#15781357)
Ahh, I see what you're saying. The issue here is that most people have a company's name baked into their email address–so the equivalent for phone numbers would be like me having to dial the carrier name along with the phone number. There is a solution for this problem: give everyone an email address on their own domain, and allow the service "backing" it to be swapped out (this is what I do-I have an email on my domain, but it's transparently mapped to a preexisting Gmail inbox). Of course, the barrier here is that people are used to email being free and easy to set up, while this solution requires a domain name registration (so, around $10-$15 a year minimum) and some technical knowledge on how to set up MX records.
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by jondubois on Sunday November 26, 2017 @10:50AM (#15781380)
The US government should take possession of all Facebook shares and use the profits to fund universal basic income. I don't think anyone would complain... Except a tiny percent of the population who owned Facebook shares but who cares, they're evil/morally bankrupt anyway.
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by matte_black on Sunday November 26, 2017 @11:16AM (#15781526)
You realize for them to make any profit off of “shares” they’d have to sell them back to someone willing to buy them...

That’s aside from the fact that whole idea is ridiculous to begin with.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by jondubois on Sunday November 26, 2017 @12:34PM (#15781963)
The government would own the shares and make money from the dividends. Why is it ridiculous?

The government of many countries have taken possession of many companies and land titles in the past for the benefit of society.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by matte_black on Sunday November 26, 2017 @02:33PM (#15782539)
Facebook does not pay a dividend.

And what makes you think if the government did something like that Facebook wouldn’t just pack up and leave the country? They are a global company.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by jayess on Sunday November 26, 2017 @03:23PM (#15782783)
Lol, you realize that the government would have to pay current shareholders the value of their shares, right?
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by matte_black on Sunday November 26, 2017 @05:49PM (#15783537)
I assume he meant the shares would be seized illegally.
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by monort on Sunday November 26, 2017 @08:35AM (#15780825)
Would you apply the same logic to government?

Government has to be broken down to pieces. I think it has reached a state where it cannot be allowed to continue as a single government being able to observe/monitor public and private communication / social interaction of so many people and not being regulated and controlled by market forces.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by codingdave on Sunday November 26, 2017 @09:11AM (#15780950)
Aside from the federal/state/local split, which has already been mentioned, the Constitution split Executive/Legislative/Judicial branches out at the federal level. We may have weakened the intent of those checks and balances in our current environment, but they certainly were designed into the system.

So yes, to answer your question - I would definitely would apply the same logic to government.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by johnchristopher on Sunday November 26, 2017 @12:09PM (#15781815)
Going along on that idea, in what part should Facebook be broken down into ?
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by wil421 on Sunday November 26, 2017 @09:02AM (#15780918)
We already break government up into federal, state and local governments. What you stated is literally how it already works.
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by shawn-butler on Sunday November 26, 2017 @09:25AM (#15780993)
That's how it may have used to work.

The abuse of the Commerce clause has expanded the regulatory power of the federal government almost unilaterally.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by ameister14 on Sunday November 26, 2017 @12:26PM (#15781908)
Sure, pre-'95. Not as much recently.
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by richardknop on Sunday November 26, 2017 @08:43AM (#15780856)
Part of me (my young revolutionary part) is libertarian so yes I would say government is to be broken down.

To be more precise in regards to your question. I want to live in the world where internet and social networks are businesses that don't rely on the government good will.

I would prefer there to be no great firewall of China and the great firewall of US and Europe as it is forming right now.

I know that is a losing battle. But we should fight for internet being a place without nationalistic restrictions that is able to operate without corrupt people in power being able to force their worldview upon us.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by 1_2__4 on Sunday November 26, 2017 @10:28AM (#15781257)
Representative government is our thing.
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by felipeko on Sunday November 26, 2017 @08:38AM (#15780837)
I don't understand why do you think that.

The biggest problem of big companies is when they hurt consumers with predatory practices.

With Facebook I fail to see how that's the case. Everybody is perfectly capable of not being hurt by their own accord by just no using it.

If the problem is how it influences politics and government, I think that's even a point against letting the government mess with it, as it is a power that can be easily misused by the party in power.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by deletefb on Sunday November 26, 2017 @08:49AM (#15780875)
Yeah, why don’t opioid addicts just stop? And why don’t fat people just lose weight and eat healthy? And why don’t poor people just stop being poor? Clearly every issue in society is a result of a lack of personal responsibility.
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by felipeko on Sunday November 26, 2017 @09:48AM (#15781085)
I'm all for people helping, looking for help or education.

I'm against someone deciding that I cannot do something because it can be bad for me.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by barrkel on Sunday November 26, 2017 @11:37AM (#15781624)
I'm against someone deciding that I cannot do something because it can be bad for me.

You don't live in a vacuum or a state with a population of one. If your actions have consequences - and most do, even if it's only through the socialized pooling effect of insurance - then there is a moral argument for society to regulate them.

Personally I'm more of a fan of utilitarian thinking that takes into account second and third order effects. It's not enough to regulate X because X is bad; you need to look at what X is currently displacing, black market effects, underlying demand. But it's just silly to deny the moral legitimacy of regulation in itself - we all live in a society and it's childishly selfish to think you can just do as you please. It's prohibitively expensive to capture all the externalities of our actions, so we regulate instead.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by intended on Monday November 27, 2017 @06:38AM (#15786601)
like not wearing seat belts?
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by jasonkostempski on Sunday November 26, 2017 @10:12AM (#15781188)
Of all those issues, only opioids are regulated and there seems to be some evidence that drug regulations themselves are part of rise in addictions. I'm not seeing much evidence these days that new laws and giving government more control is a good fix for anything.
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by herbst on Sunday November 26, 2017 @01:12PM (#15782175)
Wait. No.

Poor people don't have a direct choice. Fat people don't complain about beeing fat. And opiod addicts can get help easily.

Nothing even remotely similar to just not using Facebook.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by deletefb on Sunday November 26, 2017 @07:53PM (#15784027)
Sure, just stop using Facebook. I mean, you’ll miss your little cousin growing up, your sister’s wedding photos, invitations to fun events, and being able to easily communicate with most people you know, but yeah, it’s so easy to just stop. Network effects don’t exist at all. And hey, stop using your cell phone too. I mean, you have a choice. Don’t like your job? Might as well just quit. There certainly is no way to dislike your situation but continue in it anyway because you have to or it’s all you know.
Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by herbst on Monday November 27, 2017 @09:29AM (#15787562)
In fact I quit my job when I found it sucked and just did my own thing. Same with Facebook. I see your arguments but I don't think they are valid. If you want to. There is always a way. Obviously you simply don't want to.

I also don't miss events or pictures. Facebook is not everything. Never was. There is this thing called communication which works pretty well when you quit facebook

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by deletefb on Monday November 27, 2017 @09:57AM (#15787765)
You’re kidding, right? This is grade A trolling. “There is always a way.” Ah yes, millions of low-wage workers hate their jobs, but it’s onvioisly some kind of personal, moral failing that they don’t pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

Don’t play with a ouija board so much because I think you’re possessed by the ghost of Ayn Rand.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by herbst on Monday November 27, 2017 @12:09PM (#15788913)
I could ask the same. You still make it sound like some magical force forces you to use Facebook or keep your job.

If you like Facebook just keep using it. Nobody will mind.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by Const-me on Sunday November 26, 2017 @11:38AM (#15781629)
> With Facebook I fail to see how that's the case.

Here’s an example from couple of years ago: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/17/facebook-pro-k...

I think by blocking these people, Facebook violated the first amendment, and probably even conspired with a foreign totalitarian government.

In US laws however, Facebook is free to do whatever they want with the data stored on the servers they own. Also the blocked people have accepted EULA. So, according to the letter of law, FB probably did nothing wrong.

Re:Facebook Can’t Cope with the World It’s Created by ameister14 on Sunday November 26, 2017 @12:27PM (#15781919)
>The biggest problem of big companies is when they hurt consumers with predatory practices.

No, the biggest problem of big companies is when they stifle innovation and competition in order to maintain an unchanging cycle of use and purchase.