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Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by jraines on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:03PM (#15753891)
Tether has a blockchain so you can see for yourself how much was stolen. Also, they blacklisted the hacker's address^.

The @bitfinexed narrative is so flaky, especially the chart "proving" that Tether issuance pumps BTC. I could post a similar chart showing that my trips to Costco pump BTC.

There are legitimate concerns around Bitfinex and Tether^^ but the FUD has gotten out of hand.

Things to keep in mind if you disagree:

1) There is increased demand for Tether mostly from exchanges other than Bitfinex. They aren't even the largest holder of Tether by a long shot. This explains increased issuance as much as any conspiracy.

2) There are no widespread complaints about being able to withdraw from Bitfinex

3) There is no premium on BTC price on Bitfinex as there would be if there were problems withdrawing in things other than BTC, a la Mt. Gox.

All this being said -- all this would go away if they would prove they had the funds backing Tether.

^https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/932862730415017984

^^Mostly, IMO, around 1) making themselves a target for FinCEN, 2) the market not pricing a proper risk premium into Tether

Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by freeflight on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @07:22AM (#15756229)
> I could post a similar chart showing that my trips to Costco pump BTC.

Obligatory mention: http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by arcticfox on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @09:18AM (#15756915)
Baffling how you think that's relevant here.

A relevant analogy would be a correlation between "trips to Costco and dollars spent at Costco". Do more trips to Costco definitely cause more dollars to be spent there? Maybe, maybe not, but there is strong reason to believe so.

Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by bigtunacan on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @10:45AM (#15757639)
It’s relevance is in how clearly it illustrates the ease of being able to correlate two unrelated things, but despite this fact many people repeatedly try to use correlation to imply causation.
Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by Kiro on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @04:36AM (#15755536)
> Tether has a blockchain

How can they create new tether on demand if it's backed by a blockchain? Do they control all the mining?

Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by JohnJamesRambo on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @11:21AM (#15757991)
It is not really on its own blockchain. Tether exists on top of the bitcoin blockchain through the OMNI layer protocol. I discovered this the hard way by trying to transfer some Tether once and it was taking forever and I researched why. Bitcoin itself is very slow due to congestion from the silly 1 mb blocksize limit and 10 minute blocks.
Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by jacobush on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @05:20AM (#15755735)
Something like that.
Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by fiatjaf on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @06:21AM (#15755976)
Stupid, right? Why don't they just use a Postgres database?
Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by trophycase on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @07:03AM (#15756136)
Because then we wouldn't have a known number of issued coins as well as the full set of holders of those coins? Nor would we be able to trustlessly send them anywhere?
Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by runeks on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @08:30AM (#15756587)
> Nor would we be able to trustlessly send them anywhere?

That’s not the case anyway, since Tether can retroactively refuse to honor tokens that were allegedly stolen. What if the attacker had traded his 30m Tether-USD in exchange for bitcoins? Then the seller of these bitcoins would be left holding the bag, because the central party that is Tether refuses to honor these obligations.

Tether can never be trustless, because it’s credit. Some party needs to redeem tether tokens for USD, and if that party refuses to do so then your money is gone.

Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by ojr on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @09:54AM (#15757153)
people who hold Tether trust the Tether system that is enough to keep the peg to the dollar for now, but I have doubts the peg holds
Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by fiatjaf on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @02:24PM (#15759648)
I don't understand your point. Are you saying Postgres is not capable of storing a list of accounts numbers with balances?

Also, how is something "trustless" if all the miners and validators are run by the same person?

Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by ForHackernews on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @06:57AM (#15756110)
Because the cryptocurrency set is more easily impressed by a "blockchain" than a "database". E.g. this nonsense: http://www.ibtimes.com/un-will-use-blockchain-ids-fight-chil...
Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by fiatjaf on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @08:11PM (#15762072)
Amazing.
Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by noitsnot on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:18PM (#15754191)
/r/bitfinex has quite a lot of people claiming both ways. The people having problems withdrawing say support is non-existent.
Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by jraines on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:51PM (#15754343)
This is why I qualified with "widespread". All the exchanges have poor support, and all of them have haters. It wasn't long ago that even seemingly knowledgeable people were urging people to get out of Poloniex because they were about to be the next Gox. Nothing yet, in fact they've gotten better likely because the exodus of many traders eased the support and scaling burden. Again, I don't mean to defend any exchange in particular, it is still the wild west and I'm sure a lot of shady stuff goes on. There's just a lot about the Bitfinex narrative that doesn't make a lot of sense, and it seems mostly because one guy has built a successful brand around beating his drum the loudest.
Re:Warning Signs About Another Giant Bitcoin Exchange by lazyasciiart on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @05:10AM (#15755700)
> It wasn't long ago that even seemingly knowledgeable people were urging people to get out of Poloniex because they were about to be the next Gox. Nothing yet, in fact they've gotten better likely because the exodus of many traders eased the support and scaling burden.

I have no idea what the truth is there, but this sounds a lot like "people said Y2K would be a big deal and spent millions fixing code and then nothing happened!"