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Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by Tossrock on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @04:16AM (#15746738)
I recommend anyone interested read the paper which is available as a preprint from Nature (for the moment): goo.gl/cSsHoj (link shortened due to having an embedded access token).

Some tantalizing points from the paper:

- They constrained the aspect ratio in two dimensions to be 10:1:C, but the third dimension is unconstrained. Depending on which axis the object is rotating around, C could either be 1, or 20. Either of these would be an essentially unique object within the solar system. This is a really weird shape.

- If the object is rotating around its short axis, it must have internal tensile strength (ie, it's a solid object, not just a pile of dust/gravel accreted by gravity). Lower bound on the required tensile strength is 3 Pascal (very little).

- There is essentially no dust/ice on the object - less than 1 kg within 2.5". So it's not a comet, and would have to be asteroidal. This conflicts with our current understanding of what objects would be in interstellar space. Current models have almost all objects ejected from our system being icy comets. This object would be analogous to a Manx comet, ie a rocky asteroid in a highly elliptical long period orbit.

- The shape of the observed light curve deviates from the best-fit triaxial ellipsoid in a way that suggests large flat or concave sections. It would take unrealistically large albedo variations to produce the same deviation without flat/concave sections.

And of course, of all the planets in the solar system, it made its closest approach to Earth, an astronomical "near miss" at just 0.16 AU :)

Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by tehwalrus on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @04:41AM (#15746808)
- strange aspect ratio

- tensile strength (it should be cartwheeling, there is a physics theorem which means everything tends to this configuration)

- large flat or concave sections.

- others are reporting it's mostly metallic.

I'll say it: did anyone consider an alien spaceship? The paper seems to deduce "asteroidal" by ruling out other things, rather than by a positive measurement of rock spectra, unless I've misread it.

Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by ldenneau on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @05:07AM (#15746910)
Co-author here. We obtained spectroscopic measurements of 'Oumuamua, and its surface closely matches D-type asteroids and comet nuclei, which are dark, reddish and organic-rich.
Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by nkoren on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @09:14AM (#15747929)
The spectroscopy seems pretty normal, but the shape is kinda freaking me out. If there were a single other object we'd ever seen which looks like this, that'd be different. But this seems really unique.

Is there a point where you, as a sober professional, start to entertain outlandish theories about something like this? Has this crossed that threshold?

Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @06:37AM (#15747202)
Of course an asteroid, hollowed out somewhat, makes for a good spaceship. Especially if you're trying to be covert.

Perhaps someone has discovered warp drives (is gravitational wave detection the first step) and the Federation have sent a ship to observe us.

Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by wallace_f on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @06:54AM (#15747261)
If you wanted to disguise a probe, it seems the ideal form would be a black body, not to disguise it as an asteroid, I would guess. Unless they're playing mind games.

Anyways, given all the EM radiation we're tossing out into the void, some species' probe out there is going to pick up our existence sooner or later.

And at ~395 earth-moon distances it's difficult to imagine how effective a 400-meter object, disguised as an asteroid, would be at seeing much detail on earth.

But it is tantalizing and fun to imagine--the appearance of a gravity boost... Flat surfaces... Near to earth... Lack of any ice or outgasing, a solid object, many characteristics not seen in other known-asteroids, rotating on its long axis... :)

Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by ceejayoz on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @09:16AM (#15747937)
> And at ~395 earth-moon distances it's difficult to imagine how effective a 400-meter object, disguised as an asteroid, would be at seeing much detail on earth.

Ah, but it's a carrier for the small, stealthy probes!

Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by sandworm101 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:25AM (#15748443)
And waterbears.
Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by sandworm101 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:22AM (#15748427)
Gravitational wave detection is nowhere near the first step to any sort of warp drive. In fact it is looking the like the nail in the warp drive coffin. I, and no doubt many others here, was hoping the new detectors would be picking up all sorts of tiny wave sources buzzing around us, a civilization of warp drives just beyond our previous limits of observation. But no, no tiny warp signatures. We are still alone. If ET is in our local galaxy he isn't using warp drives, only reducing their possibility.
Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by dzdt on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @09:07AM (#15747896)
Too bad we don't have a radar image! It would have been awesome to see the shape of this in Arecibo hi resolution dopler/delay.
Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by kejaed on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:08AM (#15748803)
" its surface closely matches D-type asteroids and comet nuclei"

That's what they want you to think!

Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by tehwalrus on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @05:10AM (#15746923)
Thanks!
Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by lawlessone on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @05:54AM (#15747068)
>organic-rich.

So you're saying it's a bio-ship! ldenneau confirms it's aliens!

Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by joshuahedlund on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @12:00PM (#15749327)
> I'll say it: did anyone consider an alien spaceship?

See some interesting back-and-forth on this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/7ealls/solar_systems...

Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by JabavuAdams on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:36PM (#15750355)
I doubt that any scientist working in academia would make such a claim. Career suicide, unless you're right and it's confirmed. Scientists tend to be a lot more cautious in their statements, unless they're looking for funding...
Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by edf13 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @06:58AM (#15747278)
Well, if so - they didn't find anything of interest as they are now leaving...

https://www.popsci.com/interstellar-object-solar-system#page...

Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by robin_reala on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @04:35AM (#15746790)
And of course, of all the planets in the solar system, it made its closest approach to Earth, an astronomical "near miss" at just 0.16 AU

That is presumably because there’re lots of these objects, but we can only detect the ones closest to us.

Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by Tossrock on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @04:46AM (#15746835)
The authors estimate that there is ~1 such object within 1 AU of the sun at any given time. So, more common than we previously expected, but not exactly teeming. You're right that it was detected due to its nearness though - it was picked up in a routine near-Earth object survey by Pan-STARRS
Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by ldenneau on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @05:12AM (#15746937)
If there is one within 1 AU of the Sun at any given time, then there are ~10^16 of them within a sphere out to the nearest star. I'll leave it to you to decide whether that's teeming or not.
Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by Tossrock on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @05:21AM (#15746968)
Dr. Denneau, what an honor that you dropped by this comment thread! Congratulations on the publication, it's a truly groundbreaking discovery :) 10^16 is pretty mindbogglingly huge, but then again so is 4 light years...
Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by soVeryTired on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @07:18AM (#15747366)
Surely they're more dense near the sun? Not sure you can assume a uniform spacing and not account for the gravitational attraction. But I'm sure you know more about this than I do.
Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by jerf on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:32AM (#15749062)
If they're not being captured, they're just being perturbed by the sun a bit, not collected.
Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by bmm6o on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @08:43PM (#15753501)
1 within 1 AU of the sun means that there should be one passing within 0.16 AU of us on a ~yearly basis.
Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by raverbashing on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @05:40AM (#15747027)
An object that has 3 different dimensions suffers from Polhode motion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polhode

So maybe we can expect it to spin (and/or see it doesn't and speculate on the reasons for that)

Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by wallace_f on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @08:13AM (#15747629)
To quench curiosity, I wonder if someone with more knowledge here could give the probability that this object is be spinning, stable, about its axis with smaller moment of inertia?
Re:The first known object to enter our solar system from dee... by smilbandit on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:45PM (#15750438)
I thought the shape was a bit weird also. Most objects that we see are more like a rock but this is like a rod.