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Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by minimaxir on Sunday November 19, 2017 @12:49PM (#15734947)
Please stop saying that Apple is secretly recording your conversations for nefarious purposes with Hey Siri. It’s been around for 2 years and there has been nothing world-ending found about the feature.

A reminder about how Hey Siri privacy works: https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/11/apple-addresses-privacy-qu...

> In no case is the device recording what the user says or sending that information to Apple before the feature is triggered,” says Apple.

> Instead, audio from the microphone is continuously compared against the model, or pattern, of your personal way of saying ‘Hey Siri’ that you recorded during setup of the feature. Hey Siri requires a match to both the ‘general’ Hey Siri model (how your iPhone thinks the words sound) and the ‘personalized’ model of how you say it. This is to prevent other people’s voices from triggering your phone’s Hey Siri feature by accident.

> Until that match happens, no audio is ever sent off of your iPhone. All of that listening and processing happens locally.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by rallycarre on Sunday November 19, 2017 @01:09PM (#15735031)
It won't be listening to you if they don't care to.

The idea of having a device that listens to everything around in your home is unnerving, for me atleast.

The problem with saying "they would never do something like this" or "I have nothing to hide so why do I care" is that your trusting people thousands of miles away from you who are heavily influenced by the government...

If your not comfortable having a policeman sit on your desk while you work on your computer then I might not be a good idea supporting products like these.

Personally, Siri can screw off. I am more than happy to check the weather myself. :)

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by zoul on Sunday November 19, 2017 @01:46PM (#15735206)
If Apple wants to eavesdrop on you I don’t see how Siri changes the situation. You already have a networked device with a microphone, turning or not turning on an additional service hardly makes a difference.
Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by tritium on Sunday November 19, 2017 @02:09PM (#15735336)
And that's just it, isn't it. Siri is just a name. A cartoon.

The reality is that at a minimum, it's an organization of profit motivated people trying to listen to you. Maybe Apple is controlled by nice people today, but how many other companies will justify their own actions by pointing to Apple's practices.

And when those companies are bought and sold, or go out of business after a period of desperation, what happens in those moments?

Justify this with Apple, and ten more organizations follow in those footsteps.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by tinus_hn on Sunday November 19, 2017 @04:46PM (#15736120)
That’s fine, I don’t like services like ‘hey Siri’ either so I turn them off. Or rather, in the case of ‘hey Siri’, I don’t turn it on.

There is no conspiracy. If you don’t want your phone or other device to listen continuously, do not turn on a service that requires it to do that.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by erikj on Sunday November 19, 2017 @01:02PM (#15735007)
As long as there is an always-on CPU with non-permanent firmware that has access to the microphone in my device, Fort Meade will find a way to hijack it and subvert this security model. I would rather not give them more attack surface.
Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by mikeash on Sunday November 19, 2017 @03:29PM (#15735772)
Always-on CPU with non-permanent firmware with access to the microphone... sounds like every cell phone made in the past couple of decades.
Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by jhoechtl on Sunday November 19, 2017 @03:45PM (#15735842)
And the power source is built-in with no way to detach it when you want. Brave new world
Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by tree_of_item on Sunday November 19, 2017 @03:41PM (#15735824)
Yeah, the situation is pretty bad.
Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by currysausage on Sunday November 19, 2017 @01:09PM (#15735032)
If they have come this far, why should they even bother about the “Allow Hey Siri” toggle?
Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by Feniks on Sunday November 19, 2017 @02:04PM (#15735316)
Well I'm not an idiot. Things like Siri do not exist to help me or improve my life like the marketing and Apple fans proclaim.

It exists to sell me shit and make people money.

Not nefarious, I accept capitalism. But at least let me turn it off.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by ggreer on Sunday November 19, 2017 @02:48PM (#15735552)
You can turn it off by going to Settings -> Siri & Search -> Listen for "Hey Siri".

It's not silently enabled by default. You choose on or off when setting up the device.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by Feniks on Sunday November 19, 2017 @08:56PM (#15737229)
Yeah I'm sure it will be just as easy as it was on win10 ;)
Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by ggreer on Sunday November 19, 2017 @09:21PM (#15737323)
I'm not sure what you're getting at. Neither "Hey Siri" nor Siri itself is enabled by default. It takes 3 seconds to disable if you ever change your mind. To imply otherwise is either ignorant or disingenuous.
Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by Feniks on Monday November 20, 2017 @05:46AM (#15739051)
We'll see how deeply embedded it is in the OS. Disabling Cortana didn't shut down Cortana.

I'm also looking forward to packet inspection.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by mcphage on Sunday November 19, 2017 @06:57PM (#15736684)
> It exists to sell me shit and make people money.

How does Apple use Siri to sell you shit?