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Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by 013a on Sunday November 19, 2017 @12:18PM (#15734745)
This is huge. While it starts with just powering things like boot security and Hey Siri, I guarantee you this is the first step toward Apple getting rid of Intel on the Mac.

How much longer before they release MB/MBPs with the same chip, doing the same thing? How much longer after that before we see SDKs released for writings apps that run on Mac, but are completely executed within the ARM processor? I think this is coming far sooner than many people think.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by zitterbewegung on Sunday November 19, 2017 @12:24PM (#15734783)
Here is what I think will occur : New Macbook Pro (not a refresh) will probably have this chip in but it will be probably only be used initially for iOS emulator for developers. The next release of macOS will probably have iOS apps that you can run on a mac. Then they will replace the Macbook Air line in to a Macbook Arm as a new product launch at the beginning of 2019.
Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by danpalmer on Sunday November 19, 2017 @12:28PM (#15734814)
> it will be probably only be used initially for iOS emulator for developers

This is quite a large technical undertaking, with a very small pay-off given the tiny percentage of users who develop on their Mac for iOS devices. I can't see this being something that happens until x86 CPUs have been removed entirely.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by coldtea on Sunday November 19, 2017 @12:47PM (#15734934)
>with a very small pay-off given the tiny percentage of users who develop on their Mac for iOS devices.

If they go that way, the pay off obviously wont be "helping iOS developers have faster simulations", but as the parent already implied, beta testing and driving forward the eventual mix of iOS apps and macOS. So the "faster simulations" would just be a step in that process helping with perfecting it in a low stakes situation.

Plus, if it indeed happen, as the article also states, it would be used for another payoff, always on (at least when on mains power) Hey Siri, plus controlling the touch strip perhaps.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by mtgx on Sunday November 19, 2017 @01:11PM (#15735039)
At the rate Apple is increasing its iPhone SKUs every year, it won't be long until all iOS app companies will need to purchase like 20 different-generation iPhones. I think they'll need the emulator eventually.
Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by dogma1138 on Sunday November 19, 2017 @03:38PM (#15735810)
Not sure why is this being downvoted. Apple is currently selling 8 models across 4 lines (6s, 7, 8, X and SE), and the iPhone 6 line is still being sold by carriers. This is pretty much the first time when 8 primary models are available from Apple + at least 2 models are still being sold.

If the model trend continues to grow as it has been since the iPhone 6, there might be actually a need for device model emulation for development...

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by speeq on Sunday November 19, 2017 @04:45PM (#15736116)
Have you seen how many Samsung Galaxy variants exist in comparison?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy#Phones

That's just one manufacturer.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by dbbk on Sunday November 19, 2017 @04:27PM (#15736030)
> The next release of macOS will probably have iOS apps that you can run on a mac.

Why? iOS apps are designed for touch. Macs don't have touchscreens.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by willstrafach on Sunday November 19, 2017 @08:31PM (#15737111)
> New Macbook Pro (not a refresh) will probably have this chip

No need to speculate. Check out the TouchBar MacBooks.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by gggvvh on Sunday November 19, 2017 @01:51PM (#15735232)
I automatically dismiss comments that start with “This is huge”. I’m not the only one. Could you please edit that filler out of your comment, thanks.
Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by userbinator on Sunday November 19, 2017 @12:23PM (#15734780)
I guarantee you this is the first step toward Apple getting rid of Intel on the Mac.

...and making Macs even more closed and proprietary, moving away from the (semi-open, but also quickly closing[1]) PC again. This is huge, and scary.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15730113

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by internet2000 on Sunday November 19, 2017 @12:40PM (#15734890)
Apple never bothered with EFI secure boot, and even go out of their way to do BIOS emulation for other OSs.

Apple knows that on desktop computers, the genie is out of the bottle. They wouldn't block booting other OSs, just like they they still give options to disable Gatekeeper and SIP despite the FUD.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by pjmlp on Sunday November 19, 2017 @12:31PM (#15734824)
It is the return to the roots, just like Apple used to be before OS X happened.

They only became more open out of necessity.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by Someone on Sunday November 19, 2017 @12:59PM (#15734998)
Apple’s roots were extremely open. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_I#History:

”After building it for himself and showing it at the Club, he and Steve Jobs gave out schematics (technical designs) for the computer to interested club members and even helped some of them build and test out copies”

Also: the Apple 2 shipped with full schematics and an assembly listing of its ROMs.

The ‘phone book’ edition of Inside Macintosh didn’t document all hardware, but I wouldn’t call it ‘closed’. It explains how OS calls are implemented, details on the floppy disk interface, etc.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by pjmlp on Sunday November 19, 2017 @01:58PM (#15735281)
That was the very early days, hardly noticed in Europe.

What I remember are the LC and Quadra with NuBus, AppleTalk, QuickDraw, QuickDraw 3D, Sound Manager...

Hardly open in what regards using standards common to other platforms.

Having proper technical manuals was common to all companies during those days.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by Someone on Sunday November 19, 2017 @02:42PM (#15735530)
I don’t see how that makes them different from other companies in that period.

NuBus was an open standard, the ISA bus of PCs wasn’t. Neither were the Atari or Amiga buses.

As to AppleTalk: they could have chosen something else for networking, but I don’t see what they should have used instead of AppleTalk for networking. Ethernet existed, but used thick coax cable (twisted pair is from 1984, standardized in 1986. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_over_twisted_pair); token ring is of about the same time, but also proprietary, and wasn’t ready in time for the launch of the Macintosh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppleTalk#History). TCP/IP existed, but it wasn’t clear that it would win the race, and it was overkill for the intended uses of AppleTalk.

The various operating system APIs aren’t less or more proprietary than what OS/2, Windows, Atari’s TOS, AmigaOS, and the various Unixes offered at the time (OpenGL wasn’t available yet; X Windows would have crawled on Mac hardware of the time even more than QuickDraw did, and wasn’t stabilized in 1984)

I also don’t see that they should have done things different after they made the choices they made for the 1984 Mac. They could have opened the hardware somewhere in the 1980s, but it isn’t certain that that would have been beneficial for them.

I think the only real difference is the openness of the PC hardware architecture, and that was accidental/unintended.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by gggvvh on Sunday November 19, 2017 @01:53PM (#15735250)
That’s Jobs-Woz Apple, not Jobs Apple. The Apple you’re thinking of started disappearing when the Macintosh came out, and was no more when Jobs returned as CEO.

Not saying it’s a bad thing, mind.

Re:iMac Pro Appears to Include A10 Fusion Chip for Always-On... by cududa on Sunday November 19, 2017 @12:28PM (#15734810)
Or you could just buy a Non Apple product if you don't like it.