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Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by jenscow on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:46AM (#15711655)
I develop for Windows, but I use Linux.

I find Windows to be a hindrance (I've used it from v3.1 to 7, so it's nothing to do with unfamiliarity).

Microsoft may be trying to become developer friendly - but their OS certainly is not, and increasingly so.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by pjmlp on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:58AM (#15711729)
Some developers enjoy a graphical IDE worlds, keyboard shortcuts + mouse, not everyone feels likes developer == "UNIX user/CLI".
Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by dualogy on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:33AM (#15712147)
> Some developers enjoy a graphical IDE worlds, keyboard shortcuts + mouse

Many devs using Linux do too. Every single one out of many many dozens of Desktop Environment and/or Window Manager combinations let you enjoy all these. Just a matter of familiarity. VS is certainly a neat IDE and always was since I first played with it ~17-18 years ago, but hasn't been the only player in a long time now. Unless you need to use every single feature and tool from its up-to-120GB of installation size (with everything selected) --- never met anyone who does..

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by pjmlp on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:44AM (#15712200)
Most Linux users are against nice UI/UX provided by GNOME, KDE, Anjuta, KDevelop, GNOME Builder, .... as seen by the complaints and forks.

There is this culture of tiling window managers, vim, Emacs, everything done via CLI and UI/UX is a subject of interest only for dumb users.

Which surfaces as the biggest one among its users.

So anyone that cares about programming pleasant UI/UX workflows, hang with developers that share the same love for it, only has macOS and Windows dev cultures as harbor.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by plupf on Thursday November 16, 2017 @10:18AM (#15713268)
Many many Linux users are all for nice UIs, and pretty animations. Which is why GNOME, KDE, XFCE, MATE, Cinnamon, Budgie, Pantheon exist in the first place.

The sheer amount, variety and quality of themes available for a typical Linux distro puts your point to rest.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by pjmlp on Thursday November 16, 2017 @12:39PM (#15714658)
What puts my point to rest is that the only successful Linux based consumer devices, are a web browser based OS and a Java based one, with nothing Linux specific exposed to its users or app developers.
Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by jenscow on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:21AM (#15711824)
IDE vs CLI has nothing to do with it.

Windows isn't the only OS that has a graphical IDE - likewise Bash is available on Windows.

(all of my tools are available on both systems)

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by pjmlp on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:29AM (#15712133)
> IDE vs CLI has nothing to do with it.

Sure it has, because it springs from the developer culture on each OS, and the main reason why good UI/UX research is so hard on GNU/Linux systems.

It is always an uphill battle, as GNOME and KDE devs know about.

Also note that I pair macOS with Windows on my list.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by jenscow on Thursday November 16, 2017 @11:13AM (#15713793)
Same could be said against Windows. Ever used Windows 8? "Everyone" hated it.

Windows 10 has gone for the hybrid UI; both "modern" and traditional. At the same time.

I'm not sure why you say it's hard for UI/UX research on Linux, when there are so many different desktop environments and toolkits - all(?) of which are theme-able. On Windows, you're stuck with one. Well, both.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by pjmlp on Thursday November 16, 2017 @12:05PM (#15714340)
Which is exactly the point of lack of good polished UI/UX on GNU/Linux.

Hence ChromeOS and Android in what concerns consumer devices, where Linux just happens to be the chosen kernel but nothing prevents Google changing it for something else.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by Const-me on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:25AM (#15711841)
I develop for both, but I use Windows.

Until there're Adobe Photoshop & Illustrator for Linux, no professional UI development is possible on that OS.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by teisman on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:55AM (#15711977)
I use Linux, despite the absence of these essential tools. In my ideal world software vendors would start supporting Linux, and this is why I created SoftwareOnLinux.com - to create pressure groups and give vendors insights in the demand for their software on Linux. Would be cool if you'd show demand for Photoshop through this page: https://www.softwareonlinux.com/programs/8-adobe-photoshop
Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by dotancohen on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:37AM (#15712167)
I cannot sign up, I'm getting this error on submitting the sign up form: ": The response parameter is missing."

Firefox 57, CentOS 7.3 desktop

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by beavis2 on Thursday November 16, 2017 @08:04AM (#15712315)
> no professional UI development is possible

In your opinion.

I'm a professional. My skills relate to the domain/subject, not a specific software package/language/library. I'm able to transfer my skills and learn+use alternatives - and co-operate with those who aren't.

YMMV.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by baldfat on Thursday November 16, 2017 @08:01AM (#15712291)
> Until there're Adobe Photoshop & Illustrator for Linux

There are plenty of great tools that really doesn't require these overly priced tools.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by Const-me on Thursday November 16, 2017 @08:52AM (#15712578)
I’m not a designer, I’m a programmer, I mostly use these to export to something else, and do some minor adjustments. But on input, I always getting .psd (raster) or .ai (vector) files, created by professionals.

I’ve been developing software for 17 years, and this always was the case, regardless on the industry (desktop software, embedded, videogames), regardless on target platform (PC, mobile, embedded win or linux, game consoles).

I know there’re other good tools, but I’m not in the position to force everyone else to stop using Adobe.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by jenscow on Thursday November 16, 2017 @10:58AM (#15713682)
Yet you're fine with others forcing you.

I don't use anything Adobe, yet I don't remember having a problem opening such files (regardless of OS).

If so, I'm not afraid to respond with "Hey, can you export/save as in <some other format>?". It's not like I, a developer, am going to be making changes to the file and send it back - let alone pay for a product with which to open it.

I wouldn't give them a .c file.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by baldfat on Thursday November 16, 2017 @11:22AM (#15713861)
The issue has nothing to do with file formats, but work flow. Use different tools to use with the file format. I would personally use every cli program I can get my hands on and just convert them on my machine.

Personally I just make scripts and view the output file to check for quality. I use ImageMagick mostly but Gimp and Inkscape also have command line interface.

Gimp - https://www.gimp.org/man/gimp.html

Inkscape - https://inkscape.org/sk/doc/inkscape-man.html

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by baldfat on Thursday November 16, 2017 @10:14AM (#15713225)
use inkscape for .ai or Gimp or Krita for .psd

To export just use a cli program and batch that process.

Imagemagick to convert psd to png `convert file.psd[0] file.png`

Imagemagick to convert ai to png `convert test.ai -channel rgba -alpha on test.png`

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by Accacin on Thursday November 16, 2017 @11:12AM (#15713789)
Well, I'm glad that I refuse to let a single company determine my life.