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Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by pjmlp on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:58AM (#15711729)
Some developers enjoy a graphical IDE worlds, keyboard shortcuts + mouse, not everyone feels likes developer == "UNIX user/CLI".
Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by dualogy on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:33AM (#15712147)
> Some developers enjoy a graphical IDE worlds, keyboard shortcuts + mouse

Many devs using Linux do too. Every single one out of many many dozens of Desktop Environment and/or Window Manager combinations let you enjoy all these. Just a matter of familiarity. VS is certainly a neat IDE and always was since I first played with it ~17-18 years ago, but hasn't been the only player in a long time now. Unless you need to use every single feature and tool from its up-to-120GB of installation size (with everything selected) --- never met anyone who does..

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by pjmlp on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:44AM (#15712200)
Most Linux users are against nice UI/UX provided by GNOME, KDE, Anjuta, KDevelop, GNOME Builder, .... as seen by the complaints and forks.

There is this culture of tiling window managers, vim, Emacs, everything done via CLI and UI/UX is a subject of interest only for dumb users.

Which surfaces as the biggest one among its users.

So anyone that cares about programming pleasant UI/UX workflows, hang with developers that share the same love for it, only has macOS and Windows dev cultures as harbor.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by plupf on Thursday November 16, 2017 @10:18AM (#15713268)
Many many Linux users are all for nice UIs, and pretty animations. Which is why GNOME, KDE, XFCE, MATE, Cinnamon, Budgie, Pantheon exist in the first place.

The sheer amount, variety and quality of themes available for a typical Linux distro puts your point to rest.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by pjmlp on Thursday November 16, 2017 @12:39PM (#15714658)
What puts my point to rest is that the only successful Linux based consumer devices, are a web browser based OS and a Java based one, with nothing Linux specific exposed to its users or app developers.
Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by jenscow on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:21AM (#15711824)
IDE vs CLI has nothing to do with it.

Windows isn't the only OS that has a graphical IDE - likewise Bash is available on Windows.

(all of my tools are available on both systems)

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by pjmlp on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:29AM (#15712133)
> IDE vs CLI has nothing to do with it.

Sure it has, because it springs from the developer culture on each OS, and the main reason why good UI/UX research is so hard on GNU/Linux systems.

It is always an uphill battle, as GNOME and KDE devs know about.

Also note that I pair macOS with Windows on my list.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by jenscow on Thursday November 16, 2017 @11:13AM (#15713793)
Same could be said against Windows. Ever used Windows 8? "Everyone" hated it.

Windows 10 has gone for the hybrid UI; both "modern" and traditional. At the same time.

I'm not sure why you say it's hard for UI/UX research on Linux, when there are so many different desktop environments and toolkits - all(?) of which are theme-able. On Windows, you're stuck with one. Well, both.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by pjmlp on Thursday November 16, 2017 @12:05PM (#15714340)
Which is exactly the point of lack of good polished UI/UX on GNU/Linux.

Hence ChromeOS and Android in what concerns consumer devices, where Linux just happens to be the chosen kernel but nothing prevents Google changing it for something else.