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Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by mbesto on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @12:34PM (#15705629)
But you don't realize a net loss from moving to a smaller home in the same area. The only hinderance is paying a higher tax % (because of CA), but you'll likely net more positive cash (because of the transaction) + the absolute value of your new taxes will be less.

I'm still not sure why exactly the issue is. You literally can afford to downsize and you'll make a ton of money doing so.

> If we make a local move, that "profit" just gets rolled in to the next house.

Huh? That's not how it works...

2008 - Buy house for $1M

2017 - Sell house for $2M

2017 - Buy new house for $1M (but smaller size)

Congrats you have an asset worth $1M you've just made $1M in cash. Now net out fees and you have a downsized home and are more liquid than you were before, but with slightly less wealth than you had yesterday (due to netting of fees associated with the transaction).

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by bzbarsky on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @02:48PM (#15707139)
> 2017 - Buy new house for $1M (but smaller size)

Assuming there's anything on the market for $1M. The problems start when there isn't.

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by mbesto on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @03:32PM (#15707467)
But if you're downsizing then yes there is a cheaper house. That's how the housing market generally works ($ per square foot * # of square feet).

> The problems start when there isn't.

And the market always opens up when there isn't because it means the demand goes higher and thus creates new sellers. That also "rises the tide" and increase everyone in the area's house prices. So it nets it self out.

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by bzbarsky on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @04:24PM (#15707962)
> But if you're downsizing then yes there is a cheaper house.

Sure. But it might be $1.6 million, not $1 million, in your example...

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by mbesto on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @08:06PM (#15709506)
Ok, so what? It's still cheaper than $2M....so they can still afford it....
Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by bzbarsky on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @09:18PM (#15709823)
You don't get to keep the whole $2M. That's the point.
Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by mbesto on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @10:07PM (#15709995)
Uh what? If I have a house and I sell it for $2M cash and then I buy a house for $1.6M, I now have $400k in cash and $1.6M in assets.
Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by romwell on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @11:14PM (#15710218)
Because of the expenses (moving, taxes, fees, etc) amount to $400K, you've just spent a lot of effort to replace a more expensive property with cheaper and smaller one for no gain.

Real-life numbers will differ, but that's roughly the point.

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by mbesto on Thursday November 16, 2017 @10:50AM (#15713616)
Right. See my point here about asset transfer fees and the idea of "gain" or "loss" to wealth: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15708206

But there is a gain, you just turned an illiquid asset into a liquid asset. The fact that this exchange is even possible is why you are even able to say "its worth $2M" in the first place. If you couldn't turn an illiquid asset into a liquid asset it would be worth nothing, so you neither "gain" nor "lose". Would you rather have that scenario?

Lastly - if you see personal value in purchasing a smaller house, wouldn't you expect service providers (agents, movers, etc) to charge you for that value?

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by bzbarsky on Thursday November 16, 2017 @01:15AM (#15710580)
If you sell a house for $2M cash and have to pay capital gains taxes, and then buy a house for $1.6M, you do not have $400k in cash afterward.
Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by mbesto on Thursday November 16, 2017 @10:52AM (#15713634)
If you sell it after 2 years and it's your principal residence you do actually have $400k in cash...

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/3229450-sold-primary-house...

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by bzbarsky on Thursday November 16, 2017 @03:38PM (#15716385)
No, you do not. If you buy a house for $1M, sell for $2M, you pay taxes on $500k. Those taxes are ~34% if you're in California, so you pay about $150k in taxes. You buy a house for $1.6M, you have $250k left, not $400k.
Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by mbesto on Thursday November 16, 2017 @09:52PM (#15718551)
This is not correct according to the 2 CA tax accountants I just spoke in the last 2 weeks. I literally am researching this exact situation right now.

https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc701

Where's your source?

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by bzbarsky on Friday November 17, 2017 @01:44AM (#15719631)
I'm looking at the exact same source you are. What part of what I said is not correct, exactly? The capital gains are $1 million. $500k of it is excluded (assuming you're married filing jointly). The rest gets taxed.

If you think that's incorrect, what do _you_ think happens with taxes when selling a home for $2 million that was bought for $1 million?

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by mbesto on Friday November 17, 2017 @05:00PM (#15726348)
> I said = 2017 - Sell house for $2M

> I said = 2017 - Buy new house for $1M

> you said = But it might be (for the "buy new house") $1.6 million, not $1 million, in your example...

> I said = so they can still afford it.

> you said = You don't get to keep the whole $2M. That's the point.

So, let's do this again.

1. Sell house for $2M

2. Buy house for $1.6M as you suggested

3. Congrats you now have $1.6M in illiquid assets and $400k in liquid assets (cash)

Note - I recognize that my original example was buy at $1M and sell for $2M, where you are correct you're not taxed on the first $500k and the remaining $500k is taxed at capital gains. I also recognize that this whole scenario is purely illustrative and doesn't take into acount all of the transation fees.