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Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by mbesto on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @08:06PM (#15709506)
Ok, so what? It's still cheaper than $2M....so they can still afford it....
Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by bzbarsky on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @09:18PM (#15709823)
You don't get to keep the whole $2M. That's the point.
Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by mbesto on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @10:07PM (#15709995)
Uh what? If I have a house and I sell it for $2M cash and then I buy a house for $1.6M, I now have $400k in cash and $1.6M in assets.
Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by romwell on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @11:14PM (#15710218)
Because of the expenses (moving, taxes, fees, etc) amount to $400K, you've just spent a lot of effort to replace a more expensive property with cheaper and smaller one for no gain.

Real-life numbers will differ, but that's roughly the point.

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by mbesto on Thursday November 16, 2017 @10:50AM (#15713616)
Right. See my point here about asset transfer fees and the idea of "gain" or "loss" to wealth: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15708206

But there is a gain, you just turned an illiquid asset into a liquid asset. The fact that this exchange is even possible is why you are even able to say "its worth $2M" in the first place. If you couldn't turn an illiquid asset into a liquid asset it would be worth nothing, so you neither "gain" nor "lose". Would you rather have that scenario?

Lastly - if you see personal value in purchasing a smaller house, wouldn't you expect service providers (agents, movers, etc) to charge you for that value?

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by bzbarsky on Thursday November 16, 2017 @01:15AM (#15710580)
If you sell a house for $2M cash and have to pay capital gains taxes, and then buy a house for $1.6M, you do not have $400k in cash afterward.
Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by mbesto on Thursday November 16, 2017 @10:52AM (#15713634)
If you sell it after 2 years and it's your principal residence you do actually have $400k in cash...

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/3229450-sold-primary-house...

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by bzbarsky on Thursday November 16, 2017 @03:38PM (#15716385)
No, you do not. If you buy a house for $1M, sell for $2M, you pay taxes on $500k. Those taxes are ~34% if you're in California, so you pay about $150k in taxes. You buy a house for $1.6M, you have $250k left, not $400k.
Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by mbesto on Thursday November 16, 2017 @09:52PM (#15718551)
This is not correct according to the 2 CA tax accountants I just spoke in the last 2 weeks. I literally am researching this exact situation right now.

https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc701

Where's your source?

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by bzbarsky on Friday November 17, 2017 @01:44AM (#15719631)
I'm looking at the exact same source you are. What part of what I said is not correct, exactly? The capital gains are $1 million. $500k of it is excluded (assuming you're married filing jointly). The rest gets taxed.

If you think that's incorrect, what do _you_ think happens with taxes when selling a home for $2 million that was bought for $1 million?

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by mbesto on Friday November 17, 2017 @05:00PM (#15726348)
> I said = 2017 - Sell house for $2M

> I said = 2017 - Buy new house for $1M

> you said = But it might be (for the "buy new house") $1.6 million, not $1 million, in your example...

> I said = so they can still afford it.

> you said = You don't get to keep the whole $2M. That's the point.

So, let's do this again.

1. Sell house for $2M

2. Buy house for $1.6M as you suggested

3. Congrats you now have $1.6M in illiquid assets and $400k in liquid assets (cash)

Note - I recognize that my original example was buy at $1M and sell for $2M, where you are correct you're not taxed on the first $500k and the remaining $500k is taxed at capital gains. I also recognize that this whole scenario is purely illustrative and doesn't take into acount all of the transation fees.