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Re:Anti-NIMBY movement is winning with a simple message by raldi on Sunday November 12, 2017 @09:36PM (#15683852)
When did I say they were evil? My point is that yes, they're acting in their own self-interest (which is fine), but crucially, they've somehow convinced the housing-have-nots that artificially restricting the supply of new housing is somehow in their interest, too.

I think this proposition will break that spell, and in a democracy, when the housing-haves vote their self-interest, and the have-nots vote theirs, the latter will win in a landslide.

Re:Anti-NIMBY movement is winning with a simple message by ProAm on Sunday November 12, 2017 @09:40PM (#15683862)
It comes across like people complaining that there are no pensions anymore and its unfair.... If you don't like the circumstances whose fault is it for staying in those circumstances?? The bay is tiny land locked piece of land, its never going to be good/better. It's a bunch of smart people making poor decisions.
Re:Anti-NIMBY movement is winning with a simple message by alsetmusic on Sunday November 12, 2017 @09:53PM (#15683913)
> If you don't like the circumstances whose fault is it for staying in those circumstances??

Are you suggesting that I leave my home, my job, my social life, etc rather than trying to affect changes in policy?

Re:Anti-NIMBY movement is winning with a simple message by ProAm on Sunday November 12, 2017 @09:56PM (#15683919)
If its having such an abject effect on your life? Why would you stay? You obviously had the skills to put yourself into such a position, you have the skills to get yourself into a much better position.
Re:Anti-NIMBY movement is winning with a simple message by rgbrenner on Sunday November 12, 2017 @10:17PM (#15684007)
Are you saying people should just run away from whatever problem they have? Why can't people fix things? Policies are just things people have agreed to. They're just words on paper. People can write new words on paper.
Re:Anti-NIMBY movement is winning with a simple message by ProAm on Sunday November 12, 2017 @10:27PM (#15684056)
> Are you saying people should just run away from whatever problem they have?

People are complaining about moving to an expensive part of town and finding that it's actually expensive. That's not a problem, just poor judgment.

Re:Anti-NIMBY movement is winning with a simple message by saosebastiao on Monday November 13, 2017 @01:45AM (#15684743)
Just like that time when you bought property thinking you could control all of your adjacent surroundings through zoning policy, only to find out that you didn’t get that in the deed. Super foolish.
Re:Anti-NIMBY movement is winning with a simple message by mcny on Sunday November 12, 2017 @10:11PM (#15683976)
> If its having such an abject effect on your life? Why would you stay? You obviously had the skills to put yourself into such a position, you have the skills to get yourself into a much better position.

Because we believe we can effect change. I don't want to screw anyone over but home prices MUST come down regardless of how many second and third mortgages go underwater. What can we do to get you to support new construction?

https://youtu.be/dcbjWGj3jBk

Re:Anti-NIMBY movement is winning with a simple message by stale2002 on Sunday November 12, 2017 @09:52PM (#15683907)
It is the fault of the politicians for not changing the laws, and for us not pushing for these laws to be changed.

But let's fix that. Let's do the right thing and get rid of these ridiculous barriers to entry for building affordable housing.

Re:Anti-NIMBY movement is winning with a simple message by mcny on Sunday November 12, 2017 @10:05PM (#15683949)
> It comes across like people complaining that there are no pensions anymore and its unfair....

Firstly, we can and should renegotiate not only outrageous pension plans but also outrageous public salary. Or we can just let the local government go bankrupt if the unions won't blink. Maybe we need compensation caps in public office. Sorry for going off-topic but I just wanted to address your premise because it is not solid at all.

Re:Anti-NIMBY movement is winning with a simple message by closeparen on Monday November 13, 2017 @12:12PM (#15687987)
Only if we take your “right” to low building heights as sacrosanct.