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Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by appleflaxen on Thursday November 09, 2017 @08:44AM (#15662254)
Serious question; I hope it makes sense: What makes these "sexes" and not just "individuals"?

To elaborate a bit: when I read the description, it sounds like a person could make the same claim about humanity: "there are billions of sexes: John, Jane, Tim, Judy, Juan, Maria, etc etc"

How is this different? Or equivalently, what makes a "sex" a "sex" if it's just variability within the sex chromosome, but every individual is able to create progeny with 25% (?) of other individuals.

To me, that sounds like 4 sexes.

Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by cdumler on Thursday November 09, 2017 @10:01AM (#15662916)
A DNA sex is a set that can merge successfully with another set that produces an offspring. This is not always possible in all life because some sections of the DNA are incompatible when swapped.

Here is the sparrow with four sexes: https://www.nature.com/news/the-sparrow-with-four-sexes-1.21...

Conversely, what we think of sex (the genitalia and dimorphism identification) may not even be defined specifically by genes sets, but by epigenetic/environmental responses.

Even though alligators have DNA sets that are swapped, they are largely physically sexed by temperature: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature-dependent_sex_dete...

It even has an advantage, as females without mates can sometimes spontaneously reproduce and have offspring that are both male and female: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis_in_squamata

Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by mac01021 on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:02AM (#15662399)
> what makes a "sex" a "sex" if it's just variability within the sex chromosome, but every individual is able to create progeny with 25% of other individuals?

I haven't read the article yet (looks like it's been DOSed by traffic from Hacker News?), but your criterion would be met in a population of 201 entities (numbered from 0 to 200) where each entity X can procreate with entities in the range [X-25 ... x+25] (mod 201, of course). That would arguably yield 201 distinct sexes, where each individual is sexually compatible with 25% of the population.

Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by olympus on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:11AM (#15662477)
If a mapping between compatible sexes existed such as in your example, it would be more useful to think of sex as continuous spectrum rather than a discrete collection.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by mac01021 on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:20AM (#15662551)
Perhaps. But only because the mapping I've defined has so much symmetry.

Instead of the range [X-25 ... X+25], assign to each sex a random one of the 200-choose-50 (4.6 * 10^47) possible groups of partners sexes with size 50.

It would be impossible to completely describe the set of sexual compatibilities without simply enumerating them, and therefore necessary to treat the sexes as a set of discrete entities.

Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by olympus on Friday November 10, 2017 @12:14AM (#15668094)
That's why I wrote "such as in your example."

I think that if each individual was randomly compatible with some subset of the population, we don't have 200 sexes, we have one sex and a 25% fertility rate.

Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by nanomoose on Thursday November 09, 2017 @08:55AM (#15662339)
There are 20k different sorts of genitals. More seriously, it would be chromosomal differences I guess.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by xelxebar on Thursday November 09, 2017 @06:47AM (#15661613)
This is about the model species Schizophyllum commune. I found the OP article left me wanting to know more. The wikipedia page for S. commune links to a fascinating, in-depth page by an enthusiast:

http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/feb2000.html

Also, there's this database with more pretty pictures and some distilled information:

http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/species/Schizophyllum_commune.htm...

I hadn't realize how unique some of the fungal genetic systems were!

Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by Symmetry on Thursday November 09, 2017 @07:38AM (#15661871)
My understanding is that the main reason for different sexes in Fungi is to figure out whose mitochondria go on to populate the child after the nuclear DNA is combined. Having mixed populations of mitochondria inside a cell would provide an incentive for competition among them, which would be a Bad Thing. Otherwise they fungi could just do away with sexes entirely for a further, much smaller, increase in the number of potential partners.

See Power, Sex, Suicide: Mitochondria and the Meaning of Life by Nick Lane.

Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by mar77i on Thursday November 09, 2017 @05:00AM (#15661171)
It strikes me as oddly cool for a fungus to find a cryptographic solution for their mating. And they still preserve some definition of a "collision".
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by drvdevd on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:44AM (#15662758)
You mean roughly: fused_hyphae = (A+B) ^ (C+D)?
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by reading-at-work on Thursday November 09, 2017 @11:58AM (#15663929)
I laughed for an unreasonably long time at "it must make for a wild singles night"
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by OzzyB on Thursday November 09, 2017 @07:35AM (#15661856)
OT: The Joe Rogan podcast recently had Paul Stamets on who talks at great length about fungi and it's benefits -- truly fascinating stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPqWstVnRjQ

Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by hourislate on Thursday November 09, 2017 @08:48AM (#15662287)
That segment about how the fungi slime reorganized the Tokyo Subway System into a more efficient system was fascinating. Curious whether you could use this in someway to design everything from Circuit Boards to Software. One of my favorites so far.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by fs111 on Thursday November 09, 2017 @05:40AM (#15661351)
The writing style is horrible.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by _0ffh on Thursday November 09, 2017 @07:30AM (#15661825)
Q: There are lots of techniques to preserve genetic diversity in EA/GA, like e.g. niching. Does anyone know if this specific thing has ever been tried?
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by vanderZwan on Thursday November 09, 2017 @08:35AM (#15662191)
Could you elaborate what EA and GA stand for the uninformed but curious, like me?
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by Someone on Thursday November 09, 2017 @04:22PM (#15665967)
Evolutionary algorithms/genetic algorithms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_algorithm)
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by _0ffh on Thursday November 09, 2017 @06:48PM (#15666762)
Thanks for hopping in while I was offline! (upvote)
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by theonewhocanfly on Thursday November 09, 2017 @05:19AM (#15661269)
The site has malware, to be precise it pops up an ad which says your Android is infected
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by cpach on Thursday November 09, 2017 @05:35AM (#15661335)
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by _0ffh on Thursday November 09, 2017 @06:02AM (#15661437)
Well the Discovermagazine article at least gets right that this is about genetic diversity. The writer for Popsci butchers that into sexual diversity.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by alkyon on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:16AM (#15662511)
Being gay would be especially challenging for that species.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by rainbowmverse on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:19AM (#15662538)
I'm sure there's plenty of bicelium.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by marchenko on Thursday November 09, 2017 @05:32AM (#15661322)
Fungus Tumblr must support a lot of tags.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by _jal on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:29AM (#15662623)
Imagine how complicated the "about me" pages for OK Fungus are.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by justinjlynn on Thursday November 09, 2017 @06:40AM (#15661584)
The best of all possible worlds is a free-form text entry.
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Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by andrepd on Thursday November 09, 2017 @08:05AM (#15662018)
Your comment has zero relevance to the discussion. Stop being obsessed and stop trying to shoehorn your agenda everywhere.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by owebmaster on Thursday November 09, 2017 @08:56AM (#15662343)
Your comment (and mine) also has zero relevance to the discussion besides shoehorn yours and the clickbaity post's agenda.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by sctb on Thursday November 09, 2017 @11:34AM (#15663754)
Please don't create new accounts just to violate the guidelines. We ban them (as we've done here), and then we ban the main account.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by sctb on Thursday November 09, 2017 @11:44AM (#15663828)
We're swift to ban accounts that post like this on Hacker News. It's so easy to dismiss all the flags and downvotes as, "people don't like jokes here", but the reality is that people don't like dumb, inflammatory, vacuous comments of the kind you find swarming around the rest of the internet like flies around your dinner.

People are here to discuss intellectually interesting things. Please let us eat our dinner.

Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by taneq on Thursday November 09, 2017 @05:50AM (#15661389)
"I'm a fungi with fungal aspects."
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by jlebrech on Thursday November 09, 2017 @06:35AM (#15661565)
people don't like jokes here, but it was worth it.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by charliesome on Thursday November 09, 2017 @07:02AM (#15661687)
It's not that we don't like jokes - it's that this joke is an easy and boring joke to make. More importantly, it's downright hostile to many people in our community.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by arkona2 on Thursday November 09, 2017 @08:24AM (#15662135)
> More importantly, it's downright hostile to many people in our community.

How?

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Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by owebmaster on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:01AM (#15662387)
But only in their minds. If in my mind gender is binary, I'm wrong.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by rainbowmverse on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:24AM (#15662578)
Correct. Your opinion of another person's experience does not invalidate their experience.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by gooseus on Thursday November 09, 2017 @10:13AM (#15663028)
There are so many places to go online for social validation of low effort one-liners. I appreciate humor and even some snark in comments, but come on.

I come here for signal, it's one of the few places I know that still has a high signal/noise ratio. It's decreasing to be sure, but it'd be nice to keep it as high as possible for as long as possible.

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Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by Lewton on Thursday November 09, 2017 @08:47AM (#15662277)
I honestly don't think you're right.

Do you have an example?

Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by owebmaster on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:00AM (#15662379)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13595222

"Perfect execution, great, great job." "That is brilliant!" "Interesting -- great idea! I'll have to think about the right way to implement that."

Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by sctb on Thursday November 09, 2017 @11:36AM (#15663772)
That post got an account and a site banned from Hacker News. Not exactly the way to go very far.
Re:A fungus with over 20k sexes by owebmaster on Thursday November 09, 2017 @12:51PM (#15664329)
We were talking about the audience, not moderation