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Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by ainar-g on Friday November 03, 2017 @09:42AM (#15619118)
Is this a joke, or is it based on real-life experience? I honestly can't tell. Because this might be one of the worst advices I've ever heard.
Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by segmondy on Friday November 03, 2017 @09:46AM (#15619157)
We are stealth yo, super top secret kinda stuff. The world will have to wait and we will wow em when we are done and ready.
Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by _Microft on Friday November 03, 2017 @09:50AM (#15619196)
We are SO in stealth-mode that we ourselves have no idea what we are doing!
Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by snaily on Friday November 03, 2017 @10:06AM (#15619290)
Double stealth mode: no one knows what we're building, and neither do we

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4166183

Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by phaemon on Friday November 03, 2017 @10:21AM (#15619375)
heh, you didn't need to link to a parody. The "We've got an awesome team and have secured VC funding. Now, anyone got any product ideas?" from last week would have done :)
Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by trgv on Friday November 03, 2017 @10:15AM (#15619338)
Well I don't know what goes on at "marketing school" but here's my view:

Knowing your audience seems really important to this discussion. Those of us with technical knowledge immediately want to know "what does it actually do?"

But there are a lot of decision-makers without technical knowledge who might be swayed by their "general impression of the people they meet." This group doesn't necessarily care if they're in need of what you're selling.

There's a spectrum between these two extremes and how you approach marketing is going to depend on your opinion of how the audience is distributed in this spectrum. If you believe there are more people toward the latter end of the spectrum then a more general, details-free approach may make sense.

Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by Alex3917 on Friday November 03, 2017 @12:01PM (#15620169)
> Is this a joke, or is it based on real-life experience?

I think it's a joke, but there is actually real advice along the same lines. When cold emailing someone with the goal of getting a phone call, you want to avoid giving the person enough information to say no.

Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by SomeStupidPoint on Friday November 03, 2017 @12:17PM (#15620300)
Why would you want to do that?

I won't pretend I'm great at sales, but this is directly contrary to the advice I get, which is you want to filter out people who are a sure "no" or not a match (eg, on budget) as fast as possible so you don't waste sales resources on them while minimizing the chance of leaving a bad impression from trying pressure tactics on someone who wont buy.

What am I missing? (I guess it could be intending to be unethical, but I prefer to assume I don't understand.)

Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by mindcrime on Friday November 03, 2017 @01:10PM (#15620685)
minimizing the chance of leaving a bad impression from trying pressure tactics on someone who wont buy.

This, so very much this. I love what Jeff Thull says about this... "always be leaving" (as opposed to "always be closing"). Make it clear to the prospect that you are not going to be the stereotypical sales-person who grabs onto them like a little pit-bull grabbing onto your leg, and who won't let go until they've been beaten over the head with a stick. Show them that you respect them, and leave as soon as it's clear that there isn't a good fit. Leave a good impression and later, when they do need your "thing" they're more likely to call you up (or take your call when you call again in a year).

Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by SomeStupidPoint on Friday November 03, 2017 @04:56PM (#15622148)
Also, it turns out people in $industry who don't need $thing might know people who do.

If you leave a good impression, there's every chance they'll recommend you to someone who does need $thing, doing much of your selling for you -- you just have to leave them thinking "well, $thing wasn't right for me, but I'd do business with $person and $company".

Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by mindcrime on Friday November 03, 2017 @12:16PM (#15620290)
When cold emailing someone with the goal of getting a phone call, you want to avoid giving the person enough information to say no.

Why? What's the point in wasting time having a call with somebody when the answer is going to be "no" either way? Better to get to "no" as fast as you can, so you can move on to a better prospect.

Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by Alex3917 on Friday November 03, 2017 @12:18PM (#15620306)
> when the answer is going to be "no" either way

No one is ever going to say 'yes' to a $10M sale from a cold email. They'll only say yes after they've met you in person, but they're not going to agree to meet you in person until you've done a phone call.

Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by mindcrime on Friday November 03, 2017 @01:06PM (#15620653)
Sure, but that doesn't argue against "giving them enough information to say no". If the customer doesn't need what you're selling, knows they don't need what you're selling, and are never going to buy what you're selling, then you're wasting your time with the phone call and in-person meeting. That time would be better spent working on a prospect who saw your information and didn't disqualify themselves right from the jump.
Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by Alex3917 on Friday November 03, 2017 @02:28PM (#15621278)
> That time would be better spent working on a prospect who saw your information and didn't disqualify themselves right from the jump.

The problem is that everyone will say they don't need what you're selling, even if they do. You want to disqualify folks as fast as possible, but email doesn't work for that because even if you're selling the cure to cancer to someone with cancer, you're still going to have basically a 100% false negative rate.

Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by s73ver_ on Friday November 03, 2017 @03:26PM (#15621643)
Just because someone doesn't need it doesn't mean they can't be convinced to buy it.
Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by mindcrime on Friday November 03, 2017 @03:29PM (#15621663)
True, but just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it.
Re:Yes, but what does your startup do? by s73ver_ on Friday November 03, 2017 @04:51PM (#15622126)
Remember, we're talking about sales, here. If they can make a cent, they'll do it.