Re:Blockchains Considered Harmful: Is Brute-Force Processing...
by pishpash on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @07:07PM
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Proof of work isn't a big concern if the hard problems are also economically valuable to solve; there are myriad such problems.
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Re:Blockchains Considered Harmful: Is Brute-Force Processing...
by TylerE on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @07:27PM
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No they aren't.
For a PoW to be valuable it needs to be cheap to verify. Hard problems usually aren't.
Re:Blockchains Considered Harmful: Is Brute-Force Processing...
by pishpash on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @07:37PM
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What? Any NP-complete problem is "cheap" to verify vs. to solve. You're telling me there are no economically valuable NP-complete problems?
Re:Blockchains Considered Harmful: Is Brute-Force Processing...
by TylerE on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @07:47PM
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If there are, why has no one built a coin around it unstead of using untold watts to calculate hashes?
Re:Blockchains Considered Harmful: Is Brute-Force Processing...
by setr on Friday November 03, 2017 @06:57PM
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They did, like protein folding.
Part of it is that if its going to be a currency, its not particularly appealing that some group gets arbitrary benefits from the act of mining, for free. The government has the power to force such a currency on us, but otherwise, unless the economically valuable activity is globally valuable, its a difficult proposition to justify.
Re:Blockchains Considered Harmful: Is Brute-Force Processing...
by kirillseva on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @08:20PM
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umm, generating a block whose hash starts with N consecutive zeroes (e.g. 000000009A8C3...) seems to be exactly that - an NP hard problem that's trivial to verify in polynomial time.
Re:Blockchains Considered Harmful: Is Brute-Force Processing...
by TylerE on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @09:12PM
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yes, but it's not useful in someway outside of the blockchain, which was the thrust of GP's argument.
Re:Blockchains Considered Harmful: Is Brute-Force Processing...
by setr on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @07:36PM
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Isn't the entire NP class hard to solve, cheap to verify? Im sure some economically valuable problem can boil down to an NP problem...
Re:Blockchains Considered Harmful: Is Brute-Force Processing...
by nambit on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @07:35PM
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Most solutions to NP problems are cheap to verify.
Re:Blockchains Considered Harmful: Is Brute-Force Processing...
by Ar-Curunir on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @10:11PM
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What you want are "moderately hard functions": functions that are neither easy nor excessively hard.