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Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by irrational on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:15PM (#15603972)
>51% of Democrats support a law that requires Americans use transgender people’s preferred gender pronouns.

This one blows my mind. A law that punishes people if they don't use certain words? I just... I can't even... Wow.

Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by pwtweet on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:40PM (#15604232)
What blows my mind is that you believe it.

From the same report what White American's (Conservatives's) think/believe:

“The political climate is focused on repressing Caucasians, especially white males.”

“I believe that BLM and Antifa are terrorist groups and are as antithetical to the United States as any neo-Nazi group or white nationalist group.”

“I don’t believe climate change is happening because of humans.”

“I work in a totally PC environment and if I dare state that I feel homosexuality or sexual promiscuity is not in line with what the Bible teaches, I feel attacked and accused of being insensitive.”

“Blacks can have things that are just for them, but no one else can.”

Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by irrational on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:47PM (#15604307)
But, those are just about beliefs. None of those have to do with the establishment of laws. 51% of democrats (a majority!) want to establish a law punishing people for not using the right words.
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by cafard on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:41PM (#15604237)
And 74% of Whigs support a law that requires Americans to believe obviously improbable poll results. That's why I'm voting with either the Anti-Masonic party or the Free Soil party next election.

OK. Sorry for the snark. But I find this wholly improbable.

Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by civilian on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:53PM (#15604385)
"if you don't have data, you're just another person with an opinion"
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by boznz on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:37PM (#15604193)
My Wife will be first in the slammer, English is her second language and she often gets he and she mixed up..
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by newen on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:50PM (#15604341)
My Chinese friends do it constantly. I think he/she is gender neutral in Mandarin.
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by jackjeff on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:45PM (#15604290)
Filipina by any chance?
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by matt_wulfeck on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:17PM (#15603989)
I’ve started calling it the war on words.
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by sievebrain on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:29PM (#15604113)
Well let's try to understand it. This view must be rooted in the idea that such people have chosen their gender, and therefore chosen their gender pronoun. To not use it then would be like refusing to call someone by their preferred name. I don't know of widespread cases where people refuse to call others by their name after a name change, but I can imagine that if I changed my name and people refused to use my new name I would find that annoying.

That said some trans people seem to want to introduce entirely new pronouns that didn't previously exist. That feels like overreach to me. Changing such a basic part of the language by force is not something to take lightly.

Edit: to clarify, I would not support such a law myself!

Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by civilian on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:35PM (#15604173)
I agree that I would also find it annoying. We also have social mechanics around asking people's names, and referring to them when we don't know their name.

I think one of the big complaints about the gendered pronouns is that there's no established social path for this. How do you predetermine the preferred gender pronoun of people? You should try a social experiment--- you should ask the preferred pronoun of everyone you interact with today. It'll be awkward, and it might even get you punched.

Conservatives are saying: "hey, it's ridiculous to try to create a law about this, when it's possible to break this law in a truly innocent way."

coffeefilterbrain, I'd also just like to point that we have no law against calling someone the wrong name, and it's generally regarded as a childish thing to do. So I think conservatives feel that SJWs are trying to apply a legal solution to a problem that has a social solution.

Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by humanrebar on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:38PM (#15604199)
> I think one of the big complaints about the gendered pronouns...

I'd say that's definitely a complaint, but a minor one. The bigger complaint is the Orwellian implications of language policing, though the person complaining might not reach for the word "Orwellian" exactly.

Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by bsbechtel on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:32PM (#15604138)
I think the issue is using the law to punish people for not agreeing to do this.
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by humanrebar on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:36PM (#15604180)
> I can imagine that if I changed my name and people refused to use my new name I would find that annoying.

It would also be annoying if my preferred pronoun was "sir" or "his/her majesty". That's an absurd example, obviously, but it's not entirely up to individuals to control language in their vicinity.

Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by whiddershins on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:32PM (#15604147)
Annoying should not equal illegal.
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by ng12 on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:36PM (#15604183)
> To not use it then would be like refusing to call someone by their preferred name

So? I don't have to call you anything. I can call you Bob or Samantha or Dingus O'Frankenstein. Legally you can't do anything about it.

Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by irrational on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:34PM (#15604166)
Wanting people to call you by a certain pronoun isn't the issue at all. Its creating a law that punishes people if they don't call you by your chosen pronoun. A law. Seriously, a law. I'm trying to think of any other laws that punish people if they don't say certain words.
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by mFixman on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:35PM (#15604175)
There are already hate crime laws against other minorities.
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by irrational on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:55PM (#15604400)
Well, before today I would have said that refusing to call someone by a certain pronoun could never be prosecuted as a hate crime. If a majority of Democrats really do believe that there should be a law established that punishes people for not doing so, I'm not so sure... That seems as ridiculous as charging someone for a hate crime if they give a transgender person the side eye, but maybe it will happen.
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by hrefjedd on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:32PM (#15604143)
This is really interesting because for example my mother tongue (hungarian) doesn't have grammatical genders. Like it's non existent (unlike in english, german, or any other germanic language).
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by mywittyname on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:44PM (#15604267)
You're right, it's annoying, but the solution should still be social, not legal.

They could have a protest where every person is called by their opposite pronoun just to show how it feels.

Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by ggggtez on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:39PM (#15604216)
Study looks like it's not scientifically rigorous. But believe whatever you want.
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by awinder on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:41PM (#15604238)
Lets not cherry-pick here, 65% of Republicans want to fire people for bending a knee.
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by irrational on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:49PM (#15604333)
That's not the same thing as creating a law. It's the creation of a law that is the issue.
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by maxxxxx on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:26PM (#15604089)
We are starting to apply the techniques of Newspeak from 1984. By eliminating certain words from the language you can't even think incorrect thoughts anymore.
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by mywittyname on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:50PM (#15604338)
This has been the case for a while. For better or worse, we no longer use "archaic" terms, instead they've been replaced with more culturally appropriate terms that appear to have identical meanings. Mentally retarded -> mentally challenged/disabled has always kind of baffled me as either can be used as an insult.

Oriental -> East Asian always baffled me too, but not being Asian myself. But I guess it's because we don't call the West the Occidental.

Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by 2K17 on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:33PM (#15604160)
They banned ad banners with attractive people having nice toned bodies in London Tube, too bad you cannot outlaw being attractive in real life :).
Re:Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Sile... by civilian on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @02:37PM (#15604191)
You'd enjoy "Harrison Bergeron", a short story by Kurt Vonnegut http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html