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Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by andreareina on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @03:35AM (#15599421)
The iPhone is unbelievably fragile, before you look at the high price. Apple bends over backwards to deny the existence of design flaws, to the point of blaming users for doing it wrong. Despite this I am seriously considering an iPhone, their stance on privacy is the only reason.
Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by mcphage on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @09:14AM (#15600818)
> Despite this I am seriously considering an iPhone, their stance on privacy is the only reason.

That's definitely a great reason to get one. A nice bonus you'll find, once you do, is that they're nowhere near as fragile as you fear.

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by seba_dos1 on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @09:49AM (#15601083)
Nor as private as you wish.
Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by 0xJRS on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @10:43AM (#15601562)
As someone who does own an iPhone i'm genuinely curious what your largest concerns are about its privacy
Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by seba_dos1 on Monday November 06, 2017 @08:43AM (#15635313)
You have absolutely no control over what runs on your phone. You cannot even audit the software without breaking into your own device. The broadband firmware is known to be bad quality security-wise and it's tightly connected to the rest of the system. It's a walled garden where specific corporation has complete control over your privacy and you have no other choice than to trust them. Plus Apple has been already seen granting exceptional permissions to some apps like Uber for unclear reasons, so you have to trust third parties as well.

As someone who uses free software and worked closely with some mobile privacy-related projects, it's headscrambling to see iPhone users talking about privacy. I won't use it; you're free to do so, but when it comes to your privacy, it's just a delusion. At least be aware of what you've got - no security and privacy is way better than a false sense of it.

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by hellcow on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @11:46AM (#15602360)
Apple's documented history of working with the NSA to undermine the privacy of its users: PRISM. Tim Cook struck that deal with the NSA and remains CEO today.
Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by astral303 on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @12:21PM (#15602760)
It is not true that Tim Cook struck a deal with the NSA. Nor is it true that Apple has worked with the NSA for PRISM.

NSA likely exploited the SSL vulnerability in iOS 6.0 (released Sept 2012, NSA added Apple Oct 2012) and got access to snoop on Apple's data.

After pulling the phrase "participate knowingly" out of thin air, Washington Post was forced to walk back that statement:

"Hours after the news broke, and every company bar PalTalk and AOL denied any knowledge of the program and allegations of their involvement, the Post has changed its stance. The phrase “participate knowingly” has been removed from the article, a new passage suggests the firms were unaware of PRISM"

https://thenextweb.com/us/2013/06/07/wapost-backtracks-on-cl...

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by hellcow on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @04:54PM (#15605395)
How did you arrive at the conclusion that it was an SSL vulnerability that constituted inclusion in PRISM? There are zero-days discovered all the time.

Are you really suggesting that prior to Sept 2012 there were no critical zero-day vulnerabilities to which the NSA had access? Surely by your reasoning, Apple should have been included in PRISM years prior. And yet, it wasn't until after Steve Jobs died that Apple began to participate.

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by jrs95 on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @01:24PM (#15603472)
That it's essentially legal for "the intelligence community" to do this sort of thing is insane.
Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by r3bl on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @06:32AM (#15600007)
I couldn't agree more.

The only reason I would consider getting an iPhone too is Apple's privacy stance. They seem like the only company in the big five (Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Microsoft) that don't seem to be that interested in my data. They just want to sell me the product, and that product is, in essence, a piece of hardware.

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by rSi on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @08:49AM (#15600650)
I don't get why people believe that Apple is so much better than any of the other big ones..

http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-iphone-app-secret-access...

Apple always refuses to comment on bugs, security holes and basically anything they can not use for marketing. You WANT to believe that Apple is better.

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by skrowl on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @08:52AM (#15600669)
I clicked on this to see why too. My understanding is that they were just as anti-privacy as Google or Samsung.

They signed on to PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) , they happily work with the government over user privacy in articles all the time, and those are just the things we know about. I'm sure there are more PRISM-like back room government deals that we haven't heard of out there, and I haven't seen anything that would make me believe that Apple wouldn't sign on to them.

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by m-p-3 on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @09:04AM (#15600766)
IMO it's just a PR stance to make them stand out from the rest.
Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by tcfunk on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @10:05AM (#15601192)
Is this related to Purism announcing that they had successfully disabled the Intel Management Engine on their laptops? Or is that unrelated? Sorry, this is all new info to me.
Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by wolfgke on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @10:48AM (#15601600)
> Is this related to Purism announcing that they had successfully disabled the Intel Management Engine on their laptops? Or is that unrelated?

It is completely unrelated.

Intel ME is about a remote servicing interface that exists on all current Intel processors. While it has some usages for managing computers in a corporate setting or managing servers (keyword to look for: Intel Active Management Technology (Intel AMT), which needs Intel vPro), it exists on nearly all current Intel processors (except, I think, Intel, Quark; but this processor is built for completely different purposes). Thus there are rumors that it is a backdoor for, say, 3-letter agencies. I don't want to spread any rumors here, but just say: Because Intel ME is very large and complicated (according to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iffTJ1vPCSo 5 MB in size) it is a real concern that lots of security gaps will be found (and some have been found in the past), which, because of Intel ME's structure (according to https://schd.ws/hosted_files/osseu17/84/Replace%20UEFI%20wit... it runs on ring -3) can easily lead to really dangerous security holes. Just for this reason alone any responsible admin should try to disable Intel ME so that this security liability does not have to stay open.

PRISM is a surveillance program by the NSA.

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by fhood on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @10:36AM (#15601481)
No, from a security stand point I can feel pretty confidant that Apple is better so long as iOS 0days are still selling for 10x that of their counterparts.
Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by agumonkey on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @09:17AM (#15600843)
how hard would it be for a bunch of semiconductor / cpu designers / cs students to team up and release a nice open hardware so that we can forget about PRISM and the likes ?
Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by tonysdg on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @09:28AM (#15600916)
That's the whole idea behind the RISC-V platform [1]. It's well-funded, well-designed, has amazing pedigree (David Patterson literally wrote the book on computer architecture). It's even licensed such that companies can use it in proprietary designs.

And yet, making the actual switch is a tremendously difficult task. On the software side alone, it requires recompiling every application you want to run on your platform. That doesn't even touch the cost of rolling the actual hardware. There are more than a few examples of this: Intel's Itanium, Oracle's SPARC, Berkeley's MIPS, Transmeta's Crusoe, etc. Sure, these all had niches (embedded systems, research hardware, a few high-end servers) -- but breaking out into the mainstream (a.k.a. like x86-64 and ARM/ARM64) is damn near impossible.

[1] https://riscv.org/

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by terlisimo on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @09:50AM (#15601095)
This would be a bit different. Itanium, Sparc, Crusoe, ARM... all these CPUs were offering is the promise of better performance in some aspect.

Nobody expects RISC-V to beat i7 or Ryzen in any benchmarks.

IMO its purpose is to be the in hardware what GNU/Linux was in software.

edit: GNU/Linux, not just Linux :)

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by wolfgke on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @10:51AM (#15601627)
> This would be a bit different. Itanium, Sparc, Crusoe, ARM... all these CPUs were offering is the promise of better performance in some aspect.

Crusoe and ARM were not about the promise of better performance, but of being much more energy-efficient for the intended purpose (though since a few years ARM tries to get into a (more) high-performance field).

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by terlisimo on Thursday November 02, 2017 @03:24AM (#15608481)
Energy efficiency kind of falls under the "performance" category. Just not raw MIPS performance but "performance per watt".

What I wanted to say is that the major selling point of RISC-V would be its open-ness rather than anything performance (or power) related. In that respect it has already captured the attention of interested parties, regardless of that the actual performance will be.

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by agumonkey on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @09:44AM (#15601047)
I heard that so far riscv chips (a few were taped IIRC) were just too slow. I deeply believe that with simple and open silicon (cpu, gpu) you'd get a huge amount of visible benefits for end users that don't require Apple A10 levels of performance.

- Less bugs

- Potentially better applications since the lower layers are stable and don't require you to fight it (as an example, pre vulkan drivers were hell, linux software has to circle around that)

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by spike021 on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @12:38PM (#15602975)
The iPhone is unbelievably fragile, before you look at the high price. Apple bends over backwards to deny the existence of design flaws, to the point of blaming users for doing it wrong.

I'd say I _mostly_ disagree.

Many times over the years there have been "major" problems (i.e. antenna-gate and bendgate to name a couple). I've never experienced those issues, and I'm sure neither have many others. The iPhones through the years have been mostly solid for me in terms of hardware without significant design flaws.

Now, I don't try to claim iPhones are perfect, but I think this is an over-reaction.

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by andreareina on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @11:35PM (#15607637)
Anecdotally (but with n = many), I see many more scratched/broken iPhone screens than premium Android. Similar prices, same peer group. There are probably other sources of selection bias I'm not seeing, but it's a large enough effect that I'm cautiously positive of my determination absent an actual survey.

It took two years for Apple to acknowledge[1] that #staingate was a real issue.

I do think their hardware is generally high quality, but there are holes, and they are magnified by their positioning as a premium brand and certain high-profile denials of said holes. Which for a brand that lives and dies on its reputation seems less than smart. Adding to the weirdness is that I've alternately received excellent support in cases of hardware issues, and next to none. My guess is that the frontline has a whitelist of issues that they can okay, and have no little latitude beyond that.

[1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2017/02/24/apple-extended-anti-ref...

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by rconti on Thursday November 02, 2017 @02:26PM (#15612932)
Anecdotally, I just never see cracked screens on phones anymore.

Only data I could find, but very, very old (only covers to iphone 4(!!)

https://www.squaretrade.com/cell-phone-comparison-study-nov-...

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by CaptSpify on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @11:34AM (#15602217)
The only real reason I haven't switched is because they won't give me control of my phone. At least with Android I can root it, install custom roms, and mess with pretty much any non-google software that I have on there.

Android is far from perfect, and I still hate it, but at least I can still control most of it.

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by nyolfen on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @11:50AM (#15602400)
> At least with Android I can root it,

and not just you :P

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by GeekyBear on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @01:20PM (#15603430)
The iOS equivalent of rooting your device is called a jailbreak.

>Jailbreaking permits root access to iOS, allowing the downloading and installation of additional applications, extensions, and themes that are unavailable through the official Apple App Store.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ios_jailbreak

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by fermienrico on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @03:38PM (#15604778)
> The iPhone is unbelievable fragile.

This is such a handwavy statement.

Fragile, compared to the competition? Can you point out any objective measure that supports "Unbelievably" fragile?

All modern phones are fragile. Some slightly more than others.

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by andreareina on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @11:36PM (#15607645)
I'll quote my reply[1] to 'spike021

> Anecdotally (but with n = many), I see many more scratched/broken iPhone screens than premium Android. Similar prices, same peer group. There are probably other sources of selection bias I'm not seeing, but it's a large enough effect that I'm cautiously positive of my determination absent an actual survey.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15607637

Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by CaptSpify on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @05:55PM (#15605852)
Just because a lot of other people on the market make fragile phones doesn't change the fact the that the iPhone is also fragile.
Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by rconti on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @01:05PM (#15603283)
They're certainly fragile, but I don't believe they're any more fragile than other major flagship phones.
Re:Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance by andreareina on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @11:36PM (#15607647)
I'll quote my reply[1] to 'spike021

> Anecdotally (but with n = many), I see many more scratched/broken iPhone screens than premium Android. Similar prices, same peer group. There are probably other sources of selection bias I'm not seeing, but it's a large enough effect that I'm cautiously positive of my determination absent an actual survey.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15607637