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Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by irrational on Friday October 27, 2017 @01:35AM (#15565955)
It wasn't just you. The other European colonization efforts likewise destroyed the lives of millions of people. I always get a chuckle when I see Europeans deriding the American Empire. Pot calling the kettle black much?
Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by gibberfish on Friday October 27, 2017 @03:51AM (#15566463)
Except the overwhelming majority of Europeans alive today, including those in power, have come of age at a time when their country's colonial efforts were already a thing of the past, so it's hardly fair to throw them in with their parents' or grandparents' generation.
Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by kbart on Friday October 27, 2017 @02:10AM (#15566101)
" I always get a chuckle when I see Europeans deriding the American Empire. Pot calling the kettle black much?"

You can't put all European countries in a single pot here, only a small part of them were leading empires. Most of other countries/nations were incorporated in empires against their will and suffered greatly too.

Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by celticninja on Friday October 27, 2017 @04:54AM (#15566734)
Yeah, England, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands and France were the main colonial powers, which is why it seems a bit unfair to blame the British, which includes Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland, who were just as poorly treated by the English.
Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by hutzlibu on Friday October 27, 2017 @04:46AM (#15566698)
Hm ... Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Dutch, Austria, Russia ... just come to my mind, when I think of european empires.

So what "most other nations" are left, except for some easterns states?

Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by kbart on Friday October 27, 2017 @04:56AM (#15566742)
There are 50 sovereign countries in Europe[0], you named 9, so that just illustrates my point. And that doesn't even include nations that have no independence, often taken away during reigning of neighboring empire.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe

Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by hutzlibu on Friday October 27, 2017 @02:38PM (#15571042)
Those I named, had by far the majority of the european people in them. And what is your point linking to current european states, when were speaking of historic europe?

And that not all the people them were happy patriots, sure - thats common in empires. (and I don't like empires btw.) But the ordinary person was pretty much pro empire at that time. And that meant also conquering and ruling other nations and people.

Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by Zigurd on Friday October 27, 2017 @01:42PM (#15570577)
You left out the Duchy of Kurland and Semigallia, now part of Latvia, who had a colony in Africa. Everyone can play.
Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by raverbashing on Friday October 27, 2017 @02:14AM (#15566115)
And the next world power is China, let's see how they will do
Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by philippeback on Friday October 27, 2017 @02:29AM (#15566171)
They are buying lots of land in Europe that is for sure.
Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by raverbashing on Friday October 27, 2017 @04:49AM (#15566711)
Don't forget their current investments in Africa
Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by baxtr on Friday October 27, 2017 @02:33AM (#15566186)
Which big empire was not like this?
Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by baud147258 on Friday October 27, 2017 @03:53AM (#15566469)
The European colonization build countries from nothing, forming an upper class which led the decolonization effort and formed the leading class of the new countries. So there might have lives destroyed, but there were also lives created.
Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by ionised on Friday October 27, 2017 @04:01AM (#15566507)
> I always get a chuckle when I see Europeans deriding the American Empire. Pot calling the kettle black much?

Firstly, Europe is not a country, it is a continent of countries and many did not partake in colonialism. Referring to Europe as one homogenous group is one reason Americans are derided, because it is ignorant.

Secondly, the US has an unhealthy superiority complex and considers itself exceptional among all other nations, despite being pretty much the same as any other Empire that has existed in the past.

The fact that (to an outside observer) they consider themselves immune to the weakness that destroyed previous superpowers is another reason they are derided, because those weaknesses are pretty apparent to anyone who isn't a flag-waving jingoist fanatic.

Thirdly, those countries that did engage on colonialism no longer do and the people living there today have basically nothing to do with it. They deride Americans because they are in fact engaging in colonial-type practices today, despite the lessons of the past.

Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by dithering on Friday October 27, 2017 @07:22AM (#15567341)
> Secondly, the US has an unhealthy superiority complex and considers itself exceptional among all other nations

It is an exception (I speak as a European). It was the last of the great powers, and the first to figure out that a loan is a better weapon than a gun. The American empire is qualitatively different from all European empires.

> They deride Americans because they are in fact engaging in colonial-type practices today, despite the lessons of the past.

Don't kid yourself that Europeans just happened to learn how immoral empire is at the exact moment their empires fell apart. It's more like the Americans figured out (lucked into?) a better form of empire, and nobody could compete with their first-mover advantage.

We'll see if China can outcompete America at its own game, I guess.

Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by irrational on Friday October 27, 2017 @01:49PM (#15570645)
>Firstly, Europe is not a country, it is a continent of countries and many did not partake in colonialism. Referring to Europe as one homogenous group is one reason Americans are derided, because it is ignorant.

Aren't you being just as ignorant when you talk about Americans as one homogeneous group? Just because it is one country doesn't mean each state isn't as distinct as every country in the EU. Alabama and Oregon are as different as France and Slovakia.

>Secondly, the US has an unhealthy superiority complex and considers itself exceptional among all other nations, despite being pretty much the same as any other Empire that has existed in the past.

There are places in the US where a lot of people feel this way, but in my experience the majority don't feel this way. At least where I live most people have traveled extensively outside the US and don't feel superior. Again your are ignorantly lumping all Americans together and imply that we all feel the same way when really it's just a vocal minority in certain states.

>Thirdly, those countries that did engage on colonialism no longer do and the people living there today have basically nothing to do with it.

That doesn't mean anything. White Americans today have basically nothing to do with black slavery, yet we still have to face the consequences of what white americans did in the past. In fact I've research my family history down every line back to when they came to the new world, and I know for a fact that none of my ancestors were involved in slavery. But as a white american I don't get a free pass on slavery just because I can prove I and mine had nothing to do with it.

Likewise, as a European, you don't get a free pass on colonialism just because it wasn't you specifically that participated in it. People today are still suffering as a result of your past colonialist actions and policies.

Re:How to Read the JFK Assassination Files by Pica_soO on Friday October 27, 2017 @06:15AM (#15567062)
>Thirdly, those countries that did engage on colonialism no >longer do and the people living there today have basically >nothing to do with it.

Right having, companys to do it for you, with support of bribed locals- moral advances- they are basically more abstraction layers to the horrors.