For a double income family that’s right around the federal minimum wage.

Now minimum wage jobs don’t actually support a house of that price due to health care, child care, crap hours, etc. but the idea that there aren’t jobs that allow you to easily buy that house in Topeka is ridiculous. To the point where I want to say “leave California” to you.

I was more expecting "number of job openings available" to be the problem, rather than the pay for any given job opening.

Though, admittedly, I don't live in the US and don't know its geography very well, so until I looked it up just now I was assuming Kansas was part of the infamous US "rust belt" where towns were depopulating and there were fewer job openings than people. I guess that's only happening toward the east coast?

I'm an Australian, and the American midwest/countryside is quite appealing to me. (Cities... not so much.)

This is probably why your company can't retain starting grads. Sure, the CoL may be lower, but the vast majority of young grads want something with more hustle and bustle.

Source: I was a young grad who lived & worked in a small town about an hour from the nearest interstate, but moved to a metro area after a year in that area.

Manufacturing used to be concentrated in these areas because it was cheaper to ship raw materials (especially heavy and bulky ones like coal or iron ore) in and manufactured goods out over water to the ports and population centers that at the time were heavily concentrated on the east coast.

As an added bonus, the region was conveniently (and thus inexpensively) close to the coal producing regions of Appalachia that produced the fuel that powered the factories.

Once railways augmented the port network, the Great Lakes port towns were some of the first and best connected to the rail system because they were already so important economically, and rail connections reinforced their position.

Especially because even with rail you would save days and dollars getting your goods from Chicago to NY compared to the time it would take to ship them from Topeka to NY - and the same applied to acquiring raw materials.

Rail also allowed towns in the region that weren't directly on the Great Lakes or the Ohio or Mississippi rivers to participate in the boom by building spur lines. Since steel production in particular was concentrated in the region, industries that relied on steel had incentive to concentrate there, near their suppliers.

The de-emphasis of boat and rail for shipping, and their replacement by trucks in the second half of the 20th century wasn't the deciding factor in the collapse of these towns' economies, but it didn't help either because it eroded their existing advantages.

Edited to add (though this is already long): the erosion of job opportunity in the US for the past couple decades has been occurring everywhere other than a few major cities such as New York and SF (and a few outliers like Pittsburgh, which was one of the hardest hit rust belt cities but has recently rebounded as a center for the medical and bioengineering industries).

Cities outside the rust belt (including those in Kansas) have also seen an erosion in opportunity as manufacturing and other mid-skill jobs have left the country or been automated away or further concentrated in the major coastal cities.

The rust belt was just the first region to be hit visibly by the problem, as much as 20 years before the impact became obvious in the rest of the country. It had farther to fall, too, being not just a stable economic region but a powerhouse.

My life is exponentially better. I hate the politics here but I hated them in SF as well. Seems there's no middle ground for someone that's moderate, just extremes on both sides.

My mortgage is roughly the same as a parking space in SF, and yes I have to live in Oklahoma. I'll cry myself to sleep on my yearly european vacations, rental properties, retirement accounts and working every other year at most while doing my own self funded startups.

Does derefr really think that there are no jobs in the capital city of Kansas that pay enough to afford a house under 100k? Not a single job?

Lol.

Edit: Ha ha downvotes for pointing out that high paying jobs exist outside of California. Nice.

Derefr didn't imply that in the slightest, and it's rather uncharitable of you to point it out as "coastal elitism."

The question asked was, "but what do jobs in Topeka pay, and how many of them are there?," which to me sounds quite a reasonable question.

So that's why I downvoted you.

And you didn't actually contribute anything of value with that comment; of course 100k jobs exist outside of California.

>"Affordable housing" implies that there is a job at the destination that can pay a wage that can pay the mortgage

seems to imply disbelief that people can live well outside major cities. I'd prefer to be charitable, as the GP has stated elsewhere that they are not American and didn't know, but I've seen that line of thought here enough to understand why the parent could get defensive.

Take Kansas. If in theory I'm making 100k and we're playing the "low taxes" game I'd probably be fine financially, but I think it would come at the cost of... well, a few things. School quality, for one- if I have kids are they going to be better educated in NJ/NY (where I am now) than Kansas?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education (note the sortable columns in the table)

Of course I'm happy to point out that Nebraska ranks higher than Kansas on either scale.

Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri, and yes Kansas