News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by kasey_junk on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @10:24PM (#15546908)
Following the ‘normal’ 3x wage, gets you an anticipated 32k needed yearly income.

For a double income family that’s right around the federal minimum wage.

Now minimum wage jobs don’t actually support a house of that price due to health care, child care, crap hours, etc. but the idea that there aren’t jobs that allow you to easily buy that house in Topeka is ridiculous. To the point where I want to say “leave California” to you.

Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by derefr on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @10:37PM (#15546984)
> the idea that there aren’t jobs that allow you to easily buy that house in Topeka is ridiculous

I was more expecting "number of job openings available" to be the problem, rather than the pay for any given job opening.

Though, admittedly, I don't live in the US and don't know its geography very well, so until I looked it up just now I was assuming Kansas was part of the infamous US "rust belt" where towns were depopulating and there were fewer job openings than people. I guess that's only happening toward the east coast?

Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by pxeboot on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @10:52PM (#15547055)
Despite what many Americans and foreigners think, there are many nice towns and cities in the Midwest with vibrant economies.
Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by merpnderp on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @11:11PM (#15547141)
Absolutely. I live in literally the middle of nowhere and we can't find software engineers even though the cost of living is 90% of the national median. Here a $200k house is a mansion.
Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by King-Aaron on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @03:21AM (#15548164)
Where abouts, if you don't mind me asking?

I'm an Australian, and the American midwest/countryside is quite appealing to me. (Cities... not so much.)

Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by merpnderp on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @08:48AM (#15549567)
Between Dallas and Oklahoma City in a small town over an hour from a major interstate.
Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by jdhn on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @11:21AM (#15550857)
>small town over an hour from a major interstate.

This is probably why your company can't retain starting grads. Sure, the CoL may be lower, but the vast majority of young grads want something with more hustle and bustle.

Source: I was a young grad who lived & worked in a small town about an hour from the nearest interstate, but moved to a metro area after a year in that area.

Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by Multicomp on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @03:12PM (#15553177)
Okay for those of us who _aren't_ after a hustle/bustle life, whats the town/county name if that's not too prying a question to ask?
Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by akvadrako on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @05:11AM (#15548588)
But you are probably offering less money than in big hubs.
Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by merpnderp on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @08:46AM (#15549557)
We're competitive with Dallas and Oklahoma City, and offer offer a bit more than average for starting grads, but we can't keep them.
Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by twobyfour on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @09:10AM (#15549759)
The rust belt is north of Kansas and slightly east. Basically the states ringing the Great Lakes. Wisconsin and Illinois all the way over to western NY.

Manufacturing used to be concentrated in these areas because it was cheaper to ship raw materials (especially heavy and bulky ones like coal or iron ore) in and manufactured goods out over water to the ports and population centers that at the time were heavily concentrated on the east coast.

As an added bonus, the region was conveniently (and thus inexpensively) close to the coal producing regions of Appalachia that produced the fuel that powered the factories.

Once railways augmented the port network, the Great Lakes port towns were some of the first and best connected to the rail system because they were already so important economically, and rail connections reinforced their position.

Especially because even with rail you would save days and dollars getting your goods from Chicago to NY compared to the time it would take to ship them from Topeka to NY - and the same applied to acquiring raw materials.

Rail also allowed towns in the region that weren't directly on the Great Lakes or the Ohio or Mississippi rivers to participate in the boom by building spur lines. Since steel production in particular was concentrated in the region, industries that relied on steel had incentive to concentrate there, near their suppliers.

The de-emphasis of boat and rail for shipping, and their replacement by trucks in the second half of the 20th century wasn't the deciding factor in the collapse of these towns' economies, but it didn't help either because it eroded their existing advantages.

Edited to add (though this is already long): the erosion of job opportunity in the US for the past couple decades has been occurring everywhere other than a few major cities such as New York and SF (and a few outliers like Pittsburgh, which was one of the hardest hit rust belt cities but has recently rebounded as a center for the medical and bioengineering industries).

Cities outside the rust belt (including those in Kansas) have also seen an erosion in opportunity as manufacturing and other mid-skill jobs have left the country or been automated away or further concentrated in the major coastal cities.

The rust belt was just the first region to be hit visibly by the problem, as much as 20 years before the impact became obvious in the rest of the country. It had farther to fall, too, being not just a stable economic region but a powerhouse.