Computer control of a machine for exploring Mars (1964) [pdf]

Re:Computer control of a machine for exploring Mars (1964) [... by abrax3141 on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @05:41AM (#15540388)

Hey, HN Admins, is it really necessary to micro-manage the titles?! I had “by John McCarthy” (which is highly relevant, and in the next line in the doc)! It’s just a bit prissy to have to have the titles your favorite way all the time. Please stop it, and if you need to micromanage peoples posts, you should be working for Wikipedia. Yeah, yeah, I know ... OFF TOPIC!

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Re:Computer control of a machine for exploring Mars (1964) [... by dang on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @02:18PM (#15543867)

I know it feels like prissy micromanaging when your title is changed, but what you're really asking here is for us not to do our job. Having titles be neutral and (to use pg's original word) bookish is one of HN's key features and a far bigger deal than it might seem. If we didn't maintain that, HN would go to seed.

There are important principles behind everything we do with titles. In this case the principle is that HN works better when the emphasis is on content over personalities, so we edit out most author names and/or celebrity names in titles. This has been consistent for a long time:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7518157

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7668408

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7950730

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9671822

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9919304

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12573986

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Re:Computer control of a machine for exploring Mars (1964) [... by abrax3141 on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @02:32PM (#15544007)

Yes, fine, but most of the point of this particular post was that it was John McCarthy, who is the father of Lisp. Otherwise, as someone said, it's just old flaming about mars landers. Moreover, if you take all personality out of science, you're doing science a disservice.

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Re:Computer control of a machine for exploring Mars (1964) [... by molteanu on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @08:00AM (#15540916)

Oh, I wouldn't have opened the link if it wasn't for the John McCarthy mention.

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Re:Computer control of a machine for exploring Mars (1964) [... by kazinator on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @08:22PM (#15546360)

Indeed; I read this specifically because I was curious specifically what MacCarthy's requirements or specifications would have been for such a thing, back in 1964. I.e. the young MacCarthy take on the problem and how it reveals his thinking about such a thing.

What it reveals is that he had a very firm grasp on advanced computer and operating system architecture. He describes the requirements for an interrupt-driven concurrent system which has two levels of protection: a user and executive mode. Moreover, he recommends a small, well-debugged kernel be used, architected in such a way that errors in other pieces such as peripheral drivers, are recoverable. It's almost as if he's hinting at a micro-kernel architecture.

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Re:Computer control of a machine for exploring Mars (1964) [... by ceejayoz on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @09:05AM (#15541211)

IIRC, it's automatic.

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Re:Computer control of a machine for exploring Mars (1964) [... by manan_doshi on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @09:54AM (#15541491)

How do they do it? Prune "By X" every time? Or is there a more sophisticated system?

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Re:Computer control of a machine for exploring Mars (1964) [... by ceejayoz on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @11:12AM (#15542145)

This seems to indicate some sort of cron just fetches the <title> tag a little while after something's posted and updates accordingly. Matches with my experience - I've seen perfectly good titles reverted to nonsensical garbage no admin would've manually reverted to.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6572910

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Re:Computer control of a machine for exploring Mars (1964) [... by abrax3141 on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @11:22AM (#15542225)

But the title of this page was noise. The title was embedded in the pdf.

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Re:Computer control of a machine for exploring Mars (1964) [... by abrax3141 on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @11:21AM (#15542209)

I think it’s manually done. They also moved the date to the end.

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