Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week

Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by ProfessorLayton on Friday October 13, 2017 @10:55PM (#15470429)

It’s interesing that the company can just decide not to report this as a mass layoff. While the performance reasons for letting someone go may be true, it seems like an easily exploitable loophole.

Model 3 production rates were missed by a wide margin, so at least a few people should have known that management would react.

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by jws on Friday October 13, 2017 @11:09PM (#15470484)

Company's don't get to decide. It is written in law. Check the WARN act, but the key threshold seems to be 500 workers at a single facility.

As an employer, getting rid of your worst 1% of workers once a year is just housekeeping.

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by loeg on Friday October 13, 2017 @11:30PM (#15470548)

Like it or not, US companies don't have any obligation to be a social safety net for their worst performing employees.

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by lovich on Saturday October 14, 2017 @12:06AM (#15470690)

I don't know why you have been downvoted. You can completely agree that there is a subset of employees that need to be removed as they provide no value or even negative value. However, using the same term as sweeping up dust or throwing out garbage for putting people on the dole unexpectedly is definitely a funny euphemism

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by danjayh on Friday October 13, 2017 @11:35PM (#15470569)

If I line up a random group of 100 people at the average company, I can almost guarantee you that there is at least one who isn't doing his part. As someone who has worked with some of these people (and seen them laid off in rounds of performance-based cuts), I can tell you that some people deserve to be sent to unemployment. Yep, some good people will get hit too, but from my experience a good middle management layer can identify the low performers with a great deal of accuracy.

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by jws on Friday October 13, 2017 @11:53PM (#15470632)

In my industry, and having to make the decisions to fire people, our worst 1% not only didn’t pull their own weight, they were a negative contribution. Getting rid of them and not replacing them actually put us ahead.

In most cases the employee wasn’t a bad person, they just weren’t able to satisfactorily do their job and weren’t willing to accept reassignment to a job we felt they could do.

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by trhway on Friday October 13, 2017 @11:41PM (#15470586)

>a good middle management layer

Fairy dust is more real than that.

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by awad on Saturday October 14, 2017 @12:22AM (#15470745)

While it is common amongst companies to remove some % of lower performing individuals, or housekeeping as you have phrased, it is important to note that there is a distinction between being fired due to performance and being laid off.

The former is your fault as the employee, the latter is due to larger business conditions and generally recognized as no immediate fault of your own. In real world terms, you can be personally fired for not doing your job and can be laid off because the company can't afford to keep your plant/office/division running due to outside conditions.

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by fjsolwmv on Friday October 13, 2017 @11:03PM (#15470458)

<500 people, it might be too small to count as a mass layoff.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_Adjustment_and_Retrai...

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by Avshalom on Friday October 13, 2017 @10:59PM (#15470447)

Do public company actually have an obligation to report mass layoffs?

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by cbanek on Friday October 13, 2017 @11:04PM (#15470462)

Yes, it's the WARN act:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_Adjustment_and_Retraini...

California also has their own version: https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/tools-and-samples/hr-...

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by csours on Saturday October 14, 2017 @12:34AM (#15470784)

Reddit style, low value add comments tend to get downvoted on HN.

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by Avshalom on Saturday October 14, 2017 @12:50AM (#15470835)

I mean like I said, I don't really give a shit about being down voted, it's not about to get me hell banned or anything but: cbanek, js2, fjsolwmv and pravula might care that i am glad to be informed and my original comment was actually a question and not just me being a dick.

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by pizza on Saturday October 14, 2017 @12:56AM (#15470850)

It's not low value. You get a good gauge of others' sentiment with that kind of comment triplet. That social information is worth more than the value of the person who learned the information silently upvoting the evidentiary response, with no follow-up comment left behind.

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by csours on Saturday October 14, 2017 @01:31AM (#15470936)

There's got to be some kind of Muphry's Law about talking about downvotes, and I ought to know better by this point.

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by js2 on Friday October 13, 2017 @11:06PM (#15470469)

Per Chapter 4, Part 4, Sections 1400-1408 of the Labor Code, WARN protects employees, their families, and communities by requiring that employers give a 60-day notice to the affected employees and both state and local representatives prior to a plant closing or mass layoff.

http://www.edd.ca.gov/Jobs_and_Training/Layoff_Services_WARN...

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by fjsolwmv on Friday October 13, 2017 @11:04PM (#15470463)

For qualifying situations

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_Adjustment_and_Retrai...

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by pravula on Friday October 13, 2017 @11:04PM (#15470465)

Yes. By law, they have to report it, esp in CA

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by wokeland on Friday October 13, 2017 @11:51PM (#15470620)

The word “layoff” appears nowhere in this report. The words used are “fired” “dismissals” and “firing”. This is a completely different activity than laying off.

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by yellowapple on Saturday October 14, 2017 @02:38AM (#15471071)

To elaborate further, "firing" makes sense if Tesla is pinning its low Model 3 production numbers on inefficient and/or incompetent staff.

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Re:Tesla fired hundreds of employees in past week by a3n on Sunday October 15, 2017 @11:39AM (#15477585)

So they say. I imagine straight termination for "performance" reasons (even people who self-report as never having previous bad reviews) differs from layoffs in any company-declared or regulatory obligations. Unemployment insurance might be one.

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