Re:Hyperloop One Becomes ‘Virgin Hyperloop One’
by daemin on Thursday October 12, 2017 @12:27PM
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Isn't that because the freight companies are the ones that actually built, own, and operate the tracks? If Amtrak or another passenger company owned the tracks, their trains would get priority.
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Re:Hyperloop One Becomes ‘Virgin Hyperloop One’
by pstuart on Thursday October 12, 2017 @12:52PM
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On land gifted to them by the government.
Re:Hyperloop One Becomes ‘Virgin Hyperloop One’
by mseebach on Thursday October 12, 2017 @01:41PM
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Given the key function railroads had in opening up the west, I think you'll struggle to argue that that was even close to a bad deal.
Indeed, that, if anything, is exactly the kind of investments that a government should be making.
Re:Hyperloop One Becomes ‘Virgin Hyperloop One’
by bufordsharkley on Thursday October 12, 2017 @06:27PM
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If in the mid-19th century these were gifted to the railroad companies as 99 year leases, the value to the companies wouldn't have been very different, but we wouldn't be in thrall to them today.
Re:Hyperloop One Becomes ‘Virgin Hyperloop One’
by BRAlNlAC on Thursday October 12, 2017 @07:13PM
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and what if the railroads looked at the 99 year lease offer and said, "no thanks fam"? What if is such a pointless game to play.
Re:Hyperloop One Becomes ‘Virgin Hyperloop One’
by bufordsharkley on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @09:28PM
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99 year leases have been very, very common throughout history. Simply doing a present value calculation yields the result that to an investor, a 99 year lease and a 999 year lease are approximately the same value today.
Re:Hyperloop One Becomes ‘Virgin Hyperloop One’
by dnautics on Thursday October 12, 2017 @03:11PM
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nongovernment investments tend to be more sustainable, because they are driven by observed demand, instead of cronyism or politics. This was one of the few railways to survive the great railway crash, it's still operated today:
Re:Hyperloop One Becomes ‘Virgin Hyperloop One’
by jychang on Thursday October 12, 2017 @04:37PM
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> This was one of the few railways to survive the great railway crash
The government well made its money back before the great railway crash.
Let's say the Internet suffers a crash in a few decades. Few would argue that any previous investment into the Internet was not worth it.
Re:Hyperloop One Becomes ‘Virgin Hyperloop One’
by dnautics on Thursday October 12, 2017 @06:28PM
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you're cherry picking an example that succeeded. Let's say DARPA's investment in ESP doesn't turn out in a few decades. Few would argue that any previous investment into ESP was not worth it. (disclaimer: I'm being paid on a stupid darpa grant now)
Re:Hyperloop One Becomes ‘Virgin Hyperloop One’
by icebraining on Thursday October 12, 2017 @04:43PM
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Non-governmental investment - except for the 3 million acres in Federal land grants.
Re:Hyperloop One Becomes ‘Virgin Hyperloop One’
by jcranmer on Thursday October 12, 2017 @06:58PM
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The land grants weren't for the land that the railroads ran on. It was for adjacent property that they could develop or sell. And not all the transcontinentals relied on land grants (e.g., Great Northern).
Re:Hyperloop One Becomes ‘Virgin Hyperloop One’
by jey on Thursday October 12, 2017 @01:29PM
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No, Amtrak supposedly has priority by law: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/04/29/...
Re:Hyperloop One Becomes ‘Virgin Hyperloop One’
by dvanduzer on Thursday October 12, 2017 @01:57PM
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Based on this article, I'm under the impression that the law was overturned. The most recent article I can find about the status of adjudication suggests that Amtrak will have a very difficult time upholding that law: http://lyldenlawnews.com/2016/09/22/u-s-faces-a-choice-on-am...