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Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by amatecha on Friday September 29, 2017 @05:58PM (#15369615)
Before anyone freaks out that their iPhone is about to get pwnd:

> The vulnerabilities affecting Apple devices have been addressed in iOS 11.

Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by ikeboy on Saturday September 30, 2017 @12:52AM (#15371301)
My iPhone 6 still says that 10.3.3 is the latest available. Anyway, I'm not sure I'd upgrade to iOS 11 because they're removing 32 bit app support.

I should not have to accept anti-features to get security fixes.

Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by Synaesthesia on Saturday September 30, 2017 @05:57AM (#15372091)
Your phone will warn you about 32-bit apps on 10.3.3. They’re so rare right now I’m sure it should be fine.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by thought_alarm on Saturday September 30, 2017 @02:15AM (#15371519)
Nobody is forcing you to do anything you don't want to do.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by blacksmith_tb on Friday September 29, 2017 @06:45PM (#15369900)
Android users (depending on who updates their devices, and how often) should also be safe[1]

1: https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/2017-07-01#broa...

Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by pjmlp on Saturday September 30, 2017 @01:44AM (#15371445)
Basically only those rich enough to buy Google devices every three years.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by zurn on Saturday September 30, 2017 @06:11AM (#15372143)
Google promises 3 years only if you buy the device on release day. Our Nexus device at the office got ~18 months.

But yep, the mid/low end devices are often basically abandoned soon after release, or get 1-2 midlife updates so that December OTA has April's security patch level etc.

Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by Fnoord on Saturday September 30, 2017 @09:23AM (#15372745)
Or those smart enough to root their device to run a "post market OS" such as LineageOS or postmarketOS. Though the caveat of rooting your device could arguably be less security.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by pjmlp on Saturday September 30, 2017 @10:21AM (#15372946)
That attitude is the genesis of GNU/Linux desktop failure.

Workarounds that regular users don't have to endure with companies that actually care about them.

Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by Spivak on Sunday October 01, 2017 @12:34PM (#15378558)
I wouldn't expect any 'normal' user to go though any of this. This is for Android enthusiasts that can get access to good hardware on the cheap and run the latest software.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by Fnoord on Saturday September 30, 2017 @10:34AM (#15373014)
It isn't at all ideal; it is a hack around the problem of terrible software support in the embedded computer industry. Once you got LineageOS on your phone, you can use OTA updates.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by pjmlp on Saturday September 30, 2017 @11:23AM (#15373255)
Meanwhile the OEM that got your money will happily keep selling devices without updates.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by Fnoord on Saturday September 30, 2017 @01:15PM (#15373861)
I know, and I very much dislike that as well. That is one of the reasons why I got a Fairphone 2, with long term support.

I also bought a Xiaomi for my partner (cause the FP2 would be an old SoC for the same price it cost 2 years ago) with specs which otherwise would've cost us more than double. I expect the device to last 1,5 years. Hopefully by that time the FP3 is on the horizon.

Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by sk0g on Saturday September 30, 2017 @02:12AM (#15371507)
I have a Sony phone from 2015 and have that security update, not sure what you're talking about. 7.1.1 has been out for a while already.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by pjmlp on Saturday September 30, 2017 @03:15AM (#15371688)
Not everyone has a bugdet to keep buying flagship expensive phones.

I own a LG device, bought in January, stuck on Android 6.

There are only 1.6% of people in the world that own an Android device with 7.1.1, consider yourself lucky.

Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by milankragujevic on Saturday September 30, 2017 @08:19AM (#15372533)
I am so happy I bought a Galaxy J5 (6) that can be flashed with Lineage OS 7.1.2. It's a really good phone, and even better with LOS.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by pjmlp on Saturday September 30, 2017 @09:42AM (#15372820)
Yeah, but it is quite bad that computers with the same price as mobile phones do get updates, while Android is at the whims of bean counters at OEMs.

All because Google don't want actually sort it out.

Given that OEMs are expected to push updates themselves on Treble certified devices, I don't have any hopes that the whole update chaos will improve.

Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by muppetman on Saturday September 30, 2017 @09:19AM (#15372725)
You're only half secure though. You aren't getting the SoC patches so you'll still be vulnerable to Wifi driver holes etc
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by milankragujevic on Saturday September 30, 2017 @09:26AM (#15372759)
Yeah but knowing Samsung no phones will get the fixes besides the current flagship and MAYBE the previous one, all too expensive for most people in 2nd world.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by hesarenu on Saturday September 30, 2017 @09:45AM (#15372835)
You don't need to buy expensive mobile for latest android. I recently purchased 7.1 device for Rs 3000 about 50 bucks.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by pjc50 on Saturday September 30, 2017 @04:35AM (#15371897)
I like my ZenFone 2 but it's stuck on 5.0 :(
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by pksadiq on Saturday September 30, 2017 @06:40AM (#15372220)
> Basically only those rich enough to buy Google devices every three years.

Or when you buy a phone buy a phone that supports Lineage OS. My Samsung Galaxy S2 runs an up to date Lineage OS.

Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by pjmlp on Saturday September 30, 2017 @08:11AM (#15372500)
When I complain, I do it from the point of view of regular consumers.

Hacking devices is a workaround, not a solution.

It is this type of advices that made GNU/Linux fail at desktop adoption.

Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by Spivak on Sunday October 01, 2017 @12:37PM (#15378570)
And yet the standard advice when anyone buys a Windows computer is to wipe it and install a fresh copy directly from Microsoft to remove all the crap your OEM put on it.

Is is really so strange that the advice for older phones would be similar?

Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by sicelo on Monday October 02, 2017 @02:34AM (#15382050)
what is a solution?
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by muppetman on Saturday September 30, 2017 @09:18AM (#15372718)
It'll still be vulnerable to a degree then. Android itself will have patches, but the SoC won't because Lineage don't have source code for that, only the binary blobs.

Don't get me wrong, Lineage is great, but fully secure it isn't.

Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by hesarenu on Saturday September 30, 2017 @09:42AM (#15372821)
Well it's the same case either side.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by joewee on Friday September 29, 2017 @11:36PM (#15371078)
11.0.1 it’s a separate update. Not included in the main update. Very confusing.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by djrogers on Saturday September 30, 2017 @12:24AM (#15371231)
No, not confusing as your statement isn’t accurate. The iOS 11.0.0 security release notes from 9/19 specifically identify these CVEs as fixed.

[1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208112

Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by kccqzy on Saturday September 30, 2017 @12:19AM (#15371207)
According to Apple, 11.0.1 contains the same security content as 11. I think Apple sent a second email to their product security mailing list to add these vulnerabilities.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by burntrelish1273 on Saturday September 30, 2017 @01:33AM (#15371414)
Maybe or maybe not. I waited and got 10.3.3 -> 11.0.1 as a single OTA update.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by mrmondo on Saturday September 30, 2017 @04:47AM (#15371923)
Yes I thought the title was a bit click bait...
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by dgacmu on Saturday September 30, 2017 @07:40AM (#15372385)
The bug is fixed precisely because of the research in the article, coupled with responsible disclosure and Apple's ability and willingness to fix it. It's not clickbait, it's the system working well.
Re:Exploiting the Wi-Fi Stack on Apple Devices by mrmondo on Saturday September 30, 2017 @08:11AM (#15372501)
Perhaps click bait was not the correct term, I more noticed that it’s exploiting previous versions of software - not the current stable release.