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Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by thomastjeffery on Friday September 29, 2017 @10:28AM (#15365549)
> Also, I also think we should have a carbon recapture tax added to gasoline

That can't work for any country that has "country".

In the US, the vast majority of goods are delivered using trucks that burn diesel.

You can't have a gas tax without a diesel tax. Everyone would just switch over.

If you tax gas, you effectively tax everything, and that's not okay for any economy.

Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by vkou on Friday September 29, 2017 @11:13AM (#15365987)
> If you tax gas, you effectively tax everything, and that's not okay for any economy.

Why? The purpose of the carbon tax is to capture the negative externality of carbon pollution, and to encourage more energy-efficient industries. Not all parts of the economy use equal amounts of energy, and we should encourage the energy-efficient ones.

I burn carbon when I drive my car to work. I burn much less carbon when I take the bus to work. We want to encourage the latter - carbon taxes let the market do this encouragement. The alternative is doing so by government fiat.

Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by thomastjeffery on Friday September 29, 2017 @12:04PM (#15366481)
> I burn much less carbon when I take the bus to work.

I understand that. It's the obvious reasoning behind a gas tax.

My entire point is that there are also other effects.

If gas prices raise significantly, then the price of everything - groceries, medication, clothing, cleaning supplies, solar panels, everything - raises, meaning simple things that everyone relies on suddenly become unaffordable to low-wage workers, so their employers suddenly need to raise profits to accommodate the price hike, and raise wages for the bulk of their employees, or (more likely) simply fail, resulting in a significant unemployment increase.

You can't just magically fix climate change by putting the poor out of work, nor should you.

> encourage more energy-efficient industries.

This can be done with much more reasonable methods. Don't forget that transportation is not the only significant source of carbon emissions. The best legislative efforts we can make are to support clean energy (nuclear, wind, solar).

Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by logfromblammo on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:17PM (#15367143)
I'm running some code through the profiler right now. I'm working on improving that function that is using 17% of CPU, rather than the dozens clocking in at less than 1%.

If I can get that 17% function to run in 94% of the time, that is a greater gain from less effort than making any of those <1% functions run in 50% of the time.

The same principle applies to air pollution. Focus on the container ships burning bunker oil and the power plants burning coal first. Personal transportation using internal combustion engines is one of those 1% things, and even then, just taxing the gasoline won't help all that much.

As parent mentioned, it will also stifle the economic activity that could allow ordinary people to afford capital investments like at-home solar energy systems. And while one presumes that a "carbon tax" on gasoline fuel should be used to combat air pollution elsewhere, that is not necessarily how it will be spent.

Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by jogjayr on Friday September 29, 2017 @04:46PM (#15369041)
> that is not necessarily how it will be spent.

British Columbia has a revenue-neutral carbon tax [1]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_carbon_tax

Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by thomastjeffery on Friday September 29, 2017 @02:53PM (#15368057)
> that is not necessarily how it will be spent.

Especially in the US, where we are likely to raise the defense budget from $500 billion to $700 billion per year.

Makes me think about how much carbon is released for "defense".

Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by fragmede on Sunday October 01, 2017 @11:26PM (#15381523)
"If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."

-Thirty Ninth President of the United States of America Ronald Reagan.

Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by GhostVII on Friday September 29, 2017 @11:16AM (#15366002)
> If you tax gas, you effectively tax everything, and that's not okay for any economy.

Why not, we already tax everything as it is right now? And lots of places have carbon taxes, it works fine.

Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by thomastjeffery on Friday September 29, 2017 @12:10PM (#15366546)
Because everyone would have to suddenly react.

Businesses that rely on low wage workers suddenly have two major problems:

1. They have to find more profit to accommodate shipping expenses

2. They have to pay their workers more

Both of those problems are incredibly difficult to some, and both of them together are deadly to business.

A gas tax would significantly harm the livelihood of poor hard working people.