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Re:FaceID Security [pdf] by gre on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @01:56PM (#15350456)
They said in the keynote the chance a random person could unlock your phone with FaceID is 1 in a million.
Re:FaceID Security [pdf] by algaexe on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @02:00PM (#15350495)
Twins and siblings that look like you are not random people.
Re:FaceID Security [pdf] by roywiggins on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @02:19PM (#15350683)
Now I'm imagining the FBI using its facial-recognition databases and tracking down people who look like the phone owner to wave an iPhone in front of their face.
Re:FaceID Security [pdf] by epicide on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @02:27PM (#15350776)
I'd watch that TV show.

"Dylan and Luke are bounty-hunters of a new breed. They have to find the long-lost twins of suspects on FBI's Most Wanted list. On this episode of Face Hunters..."

Re:FaceID Security [pdf] by MBCook on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @03:31PM (#15351436)
But you’d have to do it without it seeing people you don’t intend to test with. You only get 5 tries. You can’t wait too long or it will hit the timeout.

Sounds like a movie plot to me (I made a guess at one if you dig through my comment history).

Re:FaceID Security [pdf] by jv22222 on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @02:17PM (#15350662)
Can someone help me understand why @gre got down-votes here? I don't get it.

As far as I remember, in the big reveal, they did make a point of saying that faceid had a much lower chance of of colliding than the fingerprintid system.

Re:FaceID Security [pdf] by __jal on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @02:31PM (#15350833)
I'm not the down-voters, but my guess is due to citing the 1-in-a-million figure, which is Apple's claim about a random false positive, in response to a question about false positives with twins. Someone reading fast or simply not thinking critically could come away with the wrong impression.
Re:FaceID Security [pdf] by skiman10 on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @02:26PM (#15350768)
He got downvoted because he said something that didn't match up with what OP said. In the presentation, Apple said

> The probability of a false match is different for twins and siblings that look like you

So that means the 1 in a 1,000,000 chance doesn't make sense here because Apple said the probability is different in regards to twins and siblings that look like you. So @gre just spouted off the statistic when OP was asking what the probability might be in regards to twins and siblings, because Apple says that it is different.

Re:FaceID Security [pdf] by matthewmacleod on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @02:26PM (#15350772)
They did, but the quote above was about confusion between twins or siblings. Those are explicitly not random people.
Re:FaceID Security [pdf] by matthewmacleod on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @02:01PM (#15350507)
For random faces, yes, but for a twin or sibling it’s more likely; what’s interesting is that they haven’t said how much more likely. If it were less than 1/50k then you might have expected them to confirm that it was still more secure than Touch ID, though that’s not certain.