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Re:Hewlett Packard Enterprise Is Said to Plan About 5k Job Cuts by richardknop on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:05AM (#15312812)
I can understand it. Just commenting on what I suspect is majority HN view. Lot of people here are from startups or from Silicon Valley etc.

I'd also like to mention massive waste of money in enterprise IT though. I have seen big enterprise companies buy licenses for products from a consultancy company which costs tens of millions per year and it never ends up being used ;)

Rewriting everything in a hipster / HN favorite language is obviously naive but there is a lot of money being wasted now in enterprise IT that could be saved and used more efficiently (like R&D and innovation). Enterprise is area ripe for disruption imho.

Re:Hewlett Packard Enterprise Is Said to Plan About 5k Job Cuts by nsxwolf on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:16AM (#15312917)
There is astronomical waste, yes. But it's hard to put your finger on just what "disruption" would mean in this context.

A lot of what enterprise software does is manage complexity. Massive amounts of complexity from interdependent systems and 30 legacy customers with byzantine business rules and contractual obligations to use this or that data format on this or that protocol. Processes that involve hand-written paper documents that you aren't at liberty to change but you must somehow account for them.

Startups like to write new, shiny things. They like to "move fast and break things". They like to write a single "beautiful RESTful API" for their users. It's a totally different world.

When you work in the enterprise world, things like rules engines and BPMN and enterprise service buses and Java/Spring with its Factories of Factories start making a lot of sense.

I always bristle a bit when I hear "enterprise" used on HN. It's usually a pejorative, and I get the sense many people think it's just a bunch of overpaid consultants scamming a bunch of hapless dupes out of millions because they just don't know any better. Not accusing you of this of course, but there's an awful lot of condescension about the topic in general.

And then I hear things like "Oh you don't need enterprise software because you can use Gmail for your email now"...

Re:Hewlett Packard Enterprise Is Said to Plan About 5k Job Cuts by rwmj on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:14AM (#15312895)
To some extent, SaaS is the disruption. Which companies run their own email servers or CRM? Quite a few now use GApps (ugh), SalesForce or similar.
Re:Hewlett Packard Enterprise Is Said to Plan About 5k Job Cuts by richardknop on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:24AM (#15313001)
Not any non startup company I have worked at used GApps, only small startups. And bigger companies / corporations will use SalesForce, sure. But they will also be using another 20 other vaguely similar enterprise products. Sometimes different ones per department.
Re:Hewlett Packard Enterprise Is Said to Plan About 5k Job Cuts by X86BSD on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:36AM (#15313111)
I don't doubt your claim, but what terrifies me about this if it's true is how willing companies are to give up all their data, security, etc for Google and company to mine, sell, etc. I would never do that. I just don't get that. To me it's insane to let others have and manage all your data. Doing god knows what with all that precious clear text data and and then not knowing who has access to it once it's in the "cloud". Just crazy.
Re:Hewlett Packard Enterprise Is Said to Plan About 5k Job Cuts by vageli on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:49AM (#15313223)
Gapps for business are not mined by Google. If you don't trust that Google would honor their contractual obligations, that's a whole other issue.