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Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by SilasX on Monday September 18, 2017 @07:16PM (#15280530)
>Toy stores are a _great_ example of opportunity for brick and mortar. Just like book stores, they operate in a space where curation, discovery and the physical experience adds real value.

Not anymore. Customers just use them as a free showroom and then buy it cheaper off Amazon.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by majormajor on Monday September 18, 2017 @07:45PM (#15280661)
If a toy store can't figure out how to take advantage "but MOMMMMMM I want it NOWWWWWWWWWW!" then little kids are far more mature than they were a few decades ago. :)
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by bluedino on Monday September 18, 2017 @08:01PM (#15280757)
You want that toy? Here, watch a YouTube video of someone else playing with it until Amazon delivers it tomorrow.
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by dsfyu404ed on Monday September 18, 2017 @10:23PM (#15281308)
Better yet try saying "no".
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by jedrek on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @02:55AM (#15282346)
The way adults say no to alcohol, cigarettes, sex, procrastination, and using their smartphones?
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by yjftsjthsd-h on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:22AM (#15283563)
One would hope so!
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by le-mark on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @08:16AM (#15283932)
I don't know why, but my kids do really well in this situation. We often say "maybe for your birthday" or "we'll add that to Santa's list" or "we're not buying toys today". They might make a little fuss, but so far it's been pretty easy. We also do the thing where you repeat back what they said to them, like "oh you want that don't you? I know, but not today".

Edit oh and they are pulled out of the store if they don't behave, so there's that too.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by GFischer on Monday September 18, 2017 @07:36PM (#15280629)
It cuts both ways, there's "webrooming" too:

https://www.shopify.com/retail/why-retailers-should-embrace-...

It does cut into their margins, they can't be way more expensive than online.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by linkregister on Monday September 18, 2017 @10:55PM (#15281440)
No way. The high-quality wooden hand-crafted toys at good mom & pop toy stores are not available on Amazon. Discoverability of good intellectually stimulating toys is similarly poor on Amazon.

You also overestimate the delta between the Amazon price (if the product is carried by Amazon) and that of the brick & mortar price. Often the brick & mortar price is identical after shipping costs.

The competitive advantage of a good mom & pop toy store is a specialized, curated selection of unique merchandise.

Perhaps Etsy can compete in this category, but I am in doubt that Amazon is there yet.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by falsedan on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:09AM (#15283489)
> Often the brick & mortar price is identical after shipping costs. The competitive advantage of a good mom & pop toy store is a specialized, curated selection of unique merchandise.

I think their main advantage is not the curation but the availability. You can plan a trip to the toy shop, agree to a budget, go and play with toys, choose something in budget, and go home with a toy. This is a way better parent-child bonding experience than scrolling through pages of licensed junk together & then waiting 2-3 days.

Re curation: most good toy stores have the same sort of stuff. Most 'boutique' 'niche' ones have expensive crap for idiots with money. Protip: your kids will play with toys until they break, don't buy that miniature replica Miele vacuum cleaner toy for $200 unless you don't mind throwing it away in 3 months.

Museum shops seem to follow the 'specialized, curated selection of unique merchandise' of children's toys.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by linkregister on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @02:00PM (#15287098)
Museum shops are an excellent place to buy toys.
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by SilasX on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:56AM (#15281901)
Wooden hand crafted toys are kind of a boutique, luxury market, though, not a representative case.
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by muse900 on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @04:41AM (#15282790)
Yes but thats a very small example of the market.

When we are looking at the generic market, nowadays people go to a store, look at something and then go on their phone to see if they'll find it cheaper anywhere else, as local stores tend to overprice stuff to make up their marginal costs.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by falsedan on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:12AM (#15283505)
I dare you to try telling a 3-year-old who's winding up a tantrum because they want the airsoft pistol from the other aisle that they have to wait 3 days for the sensible age-appropriate & mentally-stimulating toy to arrive.
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by linkregister on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @02:12PM (#15287248)
You raise a good point. Availability is a huge advantage, especially for last-minute gift purchases. I haven't seen the good toys that I'm looking for on Amazon; I have seen them on Etsy.

On a tangential matter, I disagree with avoiding opportunities for teaching children delayed gratification in such a high impact way.

Think about it this way: every time you rightfully don't give your child something they want due to their bad behavior, you're giving them an effective lesson and improving their future life.

It's cruel to intentionally create situations that trigger a child; it should happen organically. It doesn't take long for children to adapt to understanding they won't get their way and start adopting appropriate self control.

Especially with modern research showing the damaging effects of corporal punishment, parents should take opportunities when they arise to discipline their children in a way that is meaningful to the child: withholding a toy they desire or another form of leverage.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by falsedan on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:07PM (#15289528)
> On a tangential matter, I disagree with avoiding opportunities for teaching children delayed gratification in such a high impact way.

My comment on 2-3 days? That’s too long for a child to make the connection between behaviour and outcome. I love delayed gratification and would ask that we wait to play with the new toy until after we get home, eat, tidy up, etc. I hope that they make the link between waiting, being praised for doing a good job with something else, then playing.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by Veelox on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @02:58PM (#15287753)
I would be interested in seeing the research about the negative effects of corporal punishment if you have a link.
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by michaelt on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:24AM (#15283578)
If trips to a toy store lead to tantrums, that sounds like an argument /against/ shopping there, not an argument /for/ shopping there.
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by falsedan on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:51AM (#15283754)
My argument is against online price-matching being a suitable way of shopping for parents with young children, not against visiting toy stores. I see I wasn't clear that: taking your attention off your children to focus on your phone in an area with a high number of distracting items will likely lead to a situation where you need to reassert parental control.

Did you know? The 2-year-old will tantrum regardless where you are, and buying online means you don't have a quick out on hand (either getting the toy almost immediately after calming down and ensuring enough separation between the tantrum and getting the toy, or some stopgap alternative toy that's a tenth of the price).

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by nsxwolf on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @08:07AM (#15283877)
You are obviously not a parent; you do not avoid trips to the toy store indefinitely.
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by ransom1538 on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @09:49AM (#15284539)
"No way. The high-quality wooden hand-crafted toys at good mom & pop toy stores are not available on Amazon. "

If they have any kind of success and are visible - the chinese will have copies flooding the market within weeks. Small shops play a game to sell - but don't become too big.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by nuna on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @08:15AM (#15283922)
I bought a $80 item from a toy store this week, the price was the same as Amazon and I was glad not to deal with delivery, boxes and packaging. At another toy store i picked up a llama llama book, but it was $17 in store, and only $10 on Amazon. I didn't get the book. $7 is worth waiting and dealing with boxes
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by kamaal on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:36AM (#15281819)
>>Customers just use them as a free showroom

And that free showroom is now gone.

All the best buying something on Amazon, and realizing that you didn't like it after it was delivered at your home. The cost of treating it as a free showroom will now cost customers buying a lot of products they don't like.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by icebraining on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @03:29AM (#15282485)
Cost customers? Amazon has free returns, and sometimes they even refund you and let you keep the item.

Meanwhile, it's not like you can really test a toy in a store, and returning it means another trip.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by cookiecaper on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @01:30PM (#15286727)
Amazon only has free returns if you choose very specific options that place the blame wholly on the seller (I think it's "item defective"). If, for example, you say that you found a better price, or just didn't want the item anymore, Amazon charges a hefty return shipping fee and may also charge a restocking fee.

Of course, this means that customers always choose that option, and FBA sellers get harmful demerits on their account every time that happens. This is such a popular way to hurt FBA sellers that people have a habit of ordering items from competitors just to return them as counterfeit and/or defective, in the hope that doing this a few times will get a competitor removed from the seller pool.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by icebraining on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @01:56PM (#15287040)
Nope, sorry. Just returned something, selecting that I ordered by mistake, yet didn't have to ship it back at all.
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by cookiecaper on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @03:28PM (#15288014)
It's possible that Amazon has some algorithm that decides whether a product is worth returning or not, and that they just tell you to keep the product since the cost of return handling, etc., would consume the margin they'd make reselling it. I'm not sure if this type of algorithm would be applicable to FBA sellers, but I doubt Amazon would want it to be, since they'd lose out on the opportunity to collect additional handling fees from the seller.

Just conjecture at this point as I don't think any non-Amazon employee could know exactly all the details around when Amazon decides to charge a return handling fee, etc. I guess this may be in the fine print somewhere, but I would rather expect the fine print just to say "We can charge you a return handling fee if we want".

My experience is that I tried to return something last year, and Amazon was going to dock 12 dollars of my 14 dollar refund for return shipping if I clicked anything other than "defective". The product wasn't defective so I just decided to keep it, not worth the hassle for a $2 refund.

Did you order from a third-party FBA seller? If you did, they will often tell unsatisfied customers to keep the product and issue a refund anyway, because they'd rather be out one unit than have a return against them.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by icebraining on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @04:02PM (#15288292)
It wasn't from FBA, sold by Amazon itself.
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by kamaal on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @04:47AM (#15282818)
Amazon has free returns for now as only a tiny minority uses that as an option. Also returns work largely if there is a defect or you genuinely bought a wrong product(Like a wrong shoe size).

If most users start doing returns, they won't be free or even possible, given how much logistical nightmare that will be.

Beyond all this, that turn around time to buy a single product will be high.

Stores offer a good middle ground, and you can get a good hold of things before you actually make a purchase. I'm not saying toy purchase or any other purchase online will go down, but there will be a lot of buying will be waste.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by falsedan on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:22AM (#15283565)
> If most users start doing returns, they won't be free or even possible, given how much logistical nightmare that will be.

Would this nightmare be worse than unlimited 1-day shipping? Amazon seems to have worked that one out already.

Most places would allow you to print a label and leave the item at a designated collection point. In the UK there's heaps of companies handling this (CollectPlus, MyHermes, ParcelPoint, even Post Offices).

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by tmnvix on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @06:50AM (#15283398)
> Amazon has free returns

I doubt this is true for anywhere but North America.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by icebraining on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:13AM (#15283512)
You doubt incorrectly :) From Amazon.de: "If you want to return an article within Germany, Belgium, Ireland, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Poland or Portugal, we even supply you with a pre-paid return mailing label"

Sometimes they even let you keep the item. I barely buy anything from them, but I had that happen earlier this month with an item worth ~30€, despite choosing the option that indicated it was my fault.

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by philfrasty on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:45AM (#15283718)
This is incorrect for Amazon.de.

You generally pay 3,90€ for returning the item via DHL/Hermes (unless you declare the reason for return as e.g. not working). Certain categories (clothing) have free returns. This is only the case if the order was placed through FBA or Amazon itself. Marketplace sellers with their own fulfillment usually charge you for returns or don't provide a shipping-label at all.

(source: selling on AZ)

Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by germanier on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @09:19AM (#15284322)
AFAIK Amazon.de does not charge for a return label no matter which reason you state if you return within 14 days and the article is valued over 40€ (even though they could legally now). Since this April they require Marketplace vendors to cover shipping back in those cases as well.
Re:Toys ‘R’ Us Plans Bankruptcy Filing Amid Debt Struggle by falsedan on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:18AM (#15283535)
Why not check? I would be surprised to find a market where Amazon charge for returns (for Amazon-fulfilled items).