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Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by mixmastamyk on Friday September 15, 2017 @07:39PM (#15261739)
When I was a teenager, I thought folks like the Amish were "crazy."

After growing up in the modern world under constant surveillance, housing prices out of reach, taxes for wars abroad I don't want, and "Equihacks" I find myself yearning for the days of old.

(Would keep the antibiotics of course.)

Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by gozur88 on Friday September 15, 2017 @09:09PM (#15262169)
I'm not convinced the Amish could survive without the rest of the US. For one thing, they refuse to serve in the military.

For another, they don't pay much in taxes. My relatives in PA get red in the face whenever you bring up the Amish, because in that area the county relies heavily on taxes levied on your electric bill. The first thing the Amish do when they move into the neighborhood is rip out the electric.

The other thing is there are dozens of sects people lump together as The Amish, and they all have different doctrine. Sometimes very different.

Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by in_cahoots on Friday September 15, 2017 @09:20PM (#15262224)
The idea that the Amish survive off others' electric bill tax sounds more like a urban legend than fact. Let's be optimistic and assume the average household pays $500 / month in electricity and has a 10% tax rate; that's $50/ month / household divided by the entire state of Pennsylvania. Even if Pennsylvania is 50% Amish that's $25 / month in 'free' money for each Amish household. Hardly enough money to run a community off of.
Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by gozur88 on Friday September 15, 2017 @09:30PM (#15262263)
Two things. One, you've mischaracterized what I said. I said the county relies heavily on these taxes, not that the Amish "survive off" other people.

Two, $50/month is a lot of money in rural PA.

Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by mixmastamyk on Friday September 15, 2017 @09:31PM (#15262268)
I don't understand what you're saying? The US is not under threat of invasion.

Sure they should pay for public services they use, but what more are you asking?

Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by gozur88 on Friday September 15, 2017 @09:44PM (#15262316)
A country completely populated by pacifists wouldn't last a generation. The US isn't under threat of invasion because non-Amish people are willing to join the military.
Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by mixmastamyk on Friday September 15, 2017 @11:25PM (#15262670)
The Amish (and the rest of the US) would be just fine with a small fraction of current military expenditures.
Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by lovich on Saturday September 16, 2017 @12:06AM (#15262805)
That's still relying on a service that they refuse to be part of. Im not saying it's a bad position for them to take, but they are not willing to garuntee their own freedom
Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by rxhernandez on Saturday September 16, 2017 @12:25AM (#15262864)
What is Iceland for $500, Alex?
Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by gozur88 on Saturday September 16, 2017 @10:00AM (#15264672)
Don't confuse a lack of preparedness with pacifism. Iceland is a member of NATO.
Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by brianwawok on Friday September 15, 2017 @08:35PM (#15262018)
> I find myself yearning for the days of old.

How far back?

50% of your children dying before 4 back?

No antibiotics back?

No dentists all teeth gone by 35 back?

Slavery is legal back?

We as humans have a very good skill at seeing the good things about past times and glossing over the not so good parts.

Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by mixmastamyk on Friday September 15, 2017 @09:28PM (#15262250)
Thought it was somewhat clear, Amish plus antibiotics.
Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by wallace_f on Saturday September 16, 2017 @12:29AM (#15262873)
Yet as all this tech and progress marches on at an incredible pace as things get better and better, the results are we've just hit a 30-year high in suicide rates in the US.
Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by brianwawok on Saturday September 16, 2017 @08:50AM (#15264420)
Have you seen a chart of life expectancy over the last 1000 years?
Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by wallace_f on Sunday September 17, 2017 @12:19AM (#15268217)
I don't think quality of life and life expectancy are the same thing, or even correlated.
Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by CapitalistCartr on Friday September 15, 2017 @11:41PM (#15262716)
I think that could work. Most of our great leaps of medicine spring not from cutting-edge tech, but from the germ theory of disease. Vaccines, antibiotics, sterile drinking water, proper sewage disposal. These have saved billions of lives. Along with a decent understanding of how the human body works (no four humors) to guide us, that suffices for most stuff.
Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by randomdata on Friday September 15, 2017 @09:56PM (#15262359)
> housing prices out of reach

It is funny you say that because the Amish and Old Order Mennonites in my area are moving away because farmland is out of reach for them.

Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by jdale27 on Friday September 15, 2017 @10:00PM (#15262373)
Is that because people who farm the land using modern techniques can get much more out of it than the Amish, and therefore are pricing them out of it?
Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by randomdata on Friday September 15, 2017 @10:11PM (#15262417)
I imagine that plays a big part, but it is definitely a multifaceted issue. A few other reasons:

* Farmland saw the perfect storm of record high food prices and record low interest rates around the end of the 2000s, so people went spend-crazy, resulting in as much as 500% growth in price in the last decade. They haven't yet come back down from that.

* That, of course, also brings out the speculators, so it is not just farmers who are buying.

* Certain types of farmers are given special market advantages by my country's government, so they tend to make more money than most other farmers, providing them with more money to put into land.

It is tough for the Amish to compete with any of that.

Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by ridgeguy on Friday September 15, 2017 @09:02PM (#15262138)
And modern dentistry...
Re:In Amish Country, the Future Is Calling by sogen on Friday September 15, 2017 @08:28PM (#15261990)
And the MacBook :)