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Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by Aeolun on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @05:54AM (#15182369)
But even given that I'm burned out. What am I going to do about it? I can't just up and quit my job. There's no other jobs that won't have me just as burned out in a few months, and the idea of searching for one is tiresome already.

How do you get out of that funk?

Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by gt2 on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @06:10AM (#15182444)
Live for something else. Music, startup, reading, whatever you like. Pay yourself first (work on that thing first thing in the morning), or whenever you can give it attention. Work to get your paycheck. You can still do a great job -- this doesn't mean you need to slog through it. Just make your own life your priority.
Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by snarf21 on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @08:52AM (#15183194)
This is the right approach. Long days are easier when there is something else to look forward to. I would also suggest a short term ban on all electronics. Get away from your phone and laptop and try some new things, go to some meet-ups, join a gym, w/e. Just break your old routine for a bit to recover. Then add things back slowly and ask yourself if it makes you happy. I know sometimes I veg on tv, not because I'm interested but just because I need to decompress. Finding some non-tech ways to decompress is worth it.
Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by scruple on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @12:26PM (#15184901)
> Music, startup, reading

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things does not belong...

Founding, or co-founding, a startup, probably shouldn't ever be on the shortlist of ways to walk back or avoid stress / burnout...

Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by expertentipp on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @06:18AM (#15182470)
> Pay yourself first (work on that thing first thing in the morning)

What if there is obligatory daily standup early in the morning eating up the entire morning energy? Well obviously it's not explicitly obligatory but the "we are the second family", "be a good team player" stuff.

Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by TeMPOraL on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @06:57AM (#15182654)
Theoretically? Get up even earlier.

In practice, it doesn't work for everyone. Some of us are night owls, and I don't mean the "likes to stay up late" kind, but "can't possibly get up in the morning without being kicked out of bed by someone else" kind.

Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by staz on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @07:36AM (#15182821)
If they were you family they would care about your health, if they were team players they would find a way to work together on the long term not just burn you out and replace you in 2 months.

When I had my burnout, I just wanted to quit, my boss told me to take as much time as I needed to get better and kept me as an employee

Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by marcosdumay on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @11:27AM (#15184417)
Then you do the "or whenever you can give it attention" part. As importantly, don't care too much about the annoying standup - just get it out of the way.
Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by flachsechs on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @10:24AM (#15183915)
get up earlier, or do it in the evenings. if you can't do one of these things, you may want to consider what it actually means to own your own company.
Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by expertentipp on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @10:39AM (#15184027)
I would gladly own an outsourcing hegemon charging the clients tens or hundreds of millions of USD/EUR and paying the employees anually 20-40k USD... but getting up earlier or rescheduling my hobbies for the evenings will not be enough I'm afraid.
Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by flachsechs on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @11:06AM (#15184240)
yeah, the biggest problem with a starting a company is you actually have to start it. it totally sucks.
Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by expertentipp on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @11:12AM (#15184301)
These kind of businesses are not just casually started by some random guy.
Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by flachsechs on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @11:55AM (#15184615)
yeah they are. i've worked for 2 of them.

the problem is you think there's "special" people and "special" businesses... there aren't. there's just successful, and not, and you can't determine a priori which it's going to be.

furthermore, the number of $10 million - $100 million businesses (including consulting firms) operating today that you've never heard of is probably in the tens of thousands.

Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by skate22 on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @07:01AM (#15182666)
My team does standups on slack, it works very well for us.
Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by devmunchies on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @09:35AM (#15183534)
sound like micromanagement without the ceremony. Still better than an actual standup. I'm glad when we get to do this instead (like when the team is in meetings).
Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by JonCox on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @06:50AM (#15182627)
I like the overall direction of your comment, essentially make yourself your priority for a bit, but I don't think starting a startup is a good solution for burnout :P
Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by crispyambulance on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @08:02AM (#15182935)

    > How do you get out of that funk?
You focus on others. Find some way, formal or informal, to help other people.

It can be as basic as tutoring or volunteering for an organization you believe in. I don't know why this works but I was counseled to do this by someone who I consider wise. Perhaps the reason it works is that it is related to gaining a different perspective and avoiding excessive self-reflection.

The job is just a job. Some folks are lucky to be employed in something that gives meaning to their lives, but that's not for everyone and not for every job or time in everyone's life. If you can diversify your expectations beyond finding satisfying work, I think that helps a lot.

Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by slothtrop on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @11:04AM (#15184227)
I would suggest it has to do with having social needs met, while volunteering is but one pathway to that end. The work makes us feel isolated, and sapped energy leads one to be complacently grounded in a hermetic sort of lifestyle. Taking the initiative to change your environment and commit to some planned social encounters shakes things up.
Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by JonCox on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @06:52AM (#15182629)
I find I'm doing all sorts of work outside my day job, working on various little projects etc.

In the past I've stopped doing any of that, and just focused on exercising, socialising and watching TV outside of work. You'll be amazed at how much time you have to fill, and how much sleep you can catch up on.

But then the only times I've approached burnout it's been because of all these side projects!

Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by ckastner on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @07:14AM (#15182719)
> But even given that I'm burned out. What am I going to do about it? I can't just up and quit my job.

Depending on where you live, you might be legally entitled to sick leave, or something similar.

I know this option isn't available to everyone, but I still wanted to point it out.

> There's no other jobs that won't have me just as burned out in a few months, and the idea of searching for one is tiresome already.

I think it's dangerous to assume that once you've burned out, changing jobs will solve the problem.

In my own case, once I passed the burn-out point, removing all of the causal factors that lead me beyond that point did not cause me to return from beyond that point.

The only thing I could suggest is to talk to a physician, who will then suggest the proper course of action -- be it medication, therapy, exercise, diet, a combination thereof, etc.

Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by corbett3000 on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @08:04AM (#15182941)
1. Go to a mental health professional and talk about what's going on. Do so for several months.

2. Get disability insurance and use it: www.disabilitysecrets.com/dnewsblog/2009/07/filing-for-disability-for-stress.html << typically pays about 2/3rds of salary up to a cap for X months.

3. During that mental health break do the following:

a) remove all social media from your life.

b) break your days into 4 hour chunks with buckets like this: Enjoy Nature, cultivate friend/family relationships, read, learn, introspective deep work.

4. Don't return to work until you're sure what you'll be doing day to day will enable you to be happy.

5. If you won't be happy change jobs or even your career entirely. Just because you can program doesn't mean you'll be happy doing it...

Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by basseq on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @09:03AM (#15183279)

  1. Go to a mental health professional and talk about 
  what's going on. Do so for several months.
My wife and I were talking about this last night. (She's a researcher in a field of psychology.) It is common to see lists like this that start with "get help", but it's incredibly hard to actually do it:

* Insurance may or may not cover it.

* Someone who has never been to a MH professional has no idea what to expect or what they need.

* MH professionals are generally not good at explaining where to start. Resources are few and far between.

* Most MH professionals are specialized in ways a novice doesn't understand.

* Most MH professionals don't have good websites or don't return phone calls.

* MH has a stigma, so a) you're unlikely to know if your friends see someone or b) be willing to ask for a referral.

* MH degrees and credentials are confusing: MSC, MMFT, MSW, MAPC, PhD, MD, LMHC/LCMHC/CMHC, RN, LPCC/LPC/LCPC, etc.

* Medication, if you want to explore that route, is a completely different discipline (psychiatry) and never the twain shall meet.

* Counseling is incredibly dependent on connecting with your MH professional. So if you manage to navigate the above and get an appointment, but don't feel like you can open up, you have to start all over.

Don't get me wrong: you should go to a MH professional and talk about what's going on. Keep pushing until you find someone you like.

Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by wbillingsley on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @08:24AM (#15183037)
> 1. Go to a mental health professional and talk about what's going on. Do so for several months.

"Oh, just what I need - Another thing for my to-do list..." :)

Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by graphitezepp on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @08:32AM (#15183079)
Looks like solid life advice but 3b could use exercise thrown in.
Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by rconti on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @01:28PM (#15185461)
You almost certainly will. My problem with burnout was it made it hard to even muster the energy to find a new job.

Once I did, I couldn't believe how dramatically my life improved. I didn't realize how many aspects of my life were being negatively affected by my old work environment.

Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by Aeolun on Monday September 11, 2017 @02:32AM (#15216436)
I switched jobs a while ago, and while a lot of the previous stress factors were eliminated, they have been replaced by an almost equal amount of other stress factors.

(going from a small startup to a large corporation is good for work/life balance, not so much in terms of getting things done)

Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by l5870uoo9y on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @09:10AM (#15183332)
It hasn't been mentioned before, but I find that socializing - especially with friends - relieve you of stress. It doesn't have to involve deep conversions but just being around friends have a strengthening and calming effect. Take time to cultivate your friendships.
Re:How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out by therealdrag0 on Thursday September 07, 2017 @03:06PM (#15194813)
What about your job burns you out? I've seen in different jobs a range of stress levels depending on the type of project and the team culture.

It IS possible that another job would be a better fit for you.