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Re:As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check by samcheng on Friday August 25, 2017 @02:29AM (#15096564)
As one of those under-deluge hiring managers, I've found that candidates have already begun hiding their bootcamp / academy education during the application process.

It is still pretty obvious, though: the resumes are all the same format, as are the application channels and techniques, and experience levels.

I'd recommend these individuals look toward internships, as I haven't found one qualified for a full-time job yet. Why aren't bootcamps lining up internship programs?

Re:As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check by jacalata on Friday August 25, 2017 @02:51AM (#15096663)
Some of them are - Ada's, for instance, and LaunchCode, both focus on internships as a big part of the program. But getting employers on board is a lot of work and I'd be surprised if it were possible to find enough places for all the boot camp students out there these days.
Re:As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check by wyclif on Friday August 25, 2017 @07:35AM (#15097680)
Is a bootcamper over age, say, 30 going to be able to get an internship? The problem there is that internships are generally regarding across the industry as being for fresh college grads.
Re:As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check by nerdponx on Friday August 25, 2017 @09:24AM (#15098206)
This is an issue for anyone looking to change a career, not specifically boot camp grads.
Re:As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check by zumu on Friday August 25, 2017 @02:38AM (#15096608)
The one I attended, Epicodus, did. It led to a great job at a tiny agency where I actually learned how to build production software.

Unfortunately, I do not believe they are able to line up internships for all students anymore.

Re:As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check by sethrin on Friday August 25, 2017 @08:55AM (#15098059)
They haven't been able to guarantee an internship, but they do seem to go to a fair amount of trouble to get everyone one. The last cohort all got internships in the last round, and a couple people from previous cohorts also did as well.
Re:As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check by vanadium on Friday August 25, 2017 @01:19PM (#15100340)
Same experience here as a Director of Front-End Development. Worse than not only hiding that they're coming from a bootcamp, they're positioning their exercises as actual "work experience." Granted, this appears to be a few of many bootcamps instructing their classes to do this, but it's definitely something on my radar these days when I'm looking to hire. Also--and this is an egregious oversight in my opinion--many of the portfolios are nothing more than a lightly modified (if that) Wordpress site, using a select few "popular" templates; usually the templates that tell people what level of experience they have with each technology, etc. If you want my eye, you really need to take the time and initiative to build it independently using what you learned.

Agreed, however, that internships and apprenticeships are a great first step coming out of bootcamps, but I don't believe that's the expectation being set when they're admitted. The reason I usually have to pass on bootcamp grads is that, working in a client-focused environment on tight deadlines, time spent training someone up from a narrow view of the industry to what we need is at a very high premium; CS grads coming in as Juniors have anecdotally worked better to that end.

Apprenticing at a product-focused organization with high competency in managing expectations is where I see most bootcamp grads excelling.

Re:As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check by NoCoastCoder on Friday August 25, 2017 @02:32AM (#15096577)
Because the reason people pay for them is the promise of a quick high paying job.
Re:As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check by mipmap04 on Friday August 25, 2017 @10:53AM (#15098860)
When I was an intern working on data warehouses, I made like $25/hr, which is pretty good for starting out. With overtime, you make pretty good morning for how little investment is required.
Re:As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check by Eridrus on Friday August 25, 2017 @08:45AM (#15098013)
Why an internship and not just a super junior developer?

Are you unsure about their skills and need time to evaluate?

Re:As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check by m3rc on Friday August 25, 2017 @08:58AM (#15098070)
Isn't a "super junior developer" an intern?
Re:As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check by Eridrus on Friday August 25, 2017 @11:06AM (#15098938)
Interns are employed for a short fixed time period, rather than an ongoing basis.
Re:As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check by m3rc on Friday August 25, 2017 @11:36AM (#15099200)
I think it varies and a lot of companies do it differently. I had a part time internship with a software company over the spring semester which "ended" at the end of the semester but that was just a formality to start a new internship contract full-time and with a pay raise for the duration of the summer. Most software companies use internships as "junior-junior" developer positions, I was still writing code that was impactful and used by the company, it was just understood that it was going to take a couple months to get me to a point that I was semi-autonomous.
Re:As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check by brooklyn_ashey on Friday August 25, 2017 @10:47AM (#15098809)
because they know they can't make money by selling an unpaid/underpaid "opportunity"