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Re:Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices ma... by leggomylibro on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @04:21PM (#15076029)
The answer is, nobody does.

They implicitly agree under duress, because their time is worth far too much to even read 10 pages of fine print for every product they use. I'm not being flippant; it bloody well is.

I'm not sure why courts consider that to hold any weight; to me it goes against the whole notion of informed consent in binding agreements. And to be fair, often the courts don't consider to hold any weight.

Re:Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices ma... by Sir_Substance on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @06:28PM (#15076916)
>They implicitly agree under duress, because their time is worth far too much to even read 10 pages of fine print for every product they use. I'm not being flippant; it bloody well is.

You don't need to read 10 pages of fine print for every product, because it's functionally the same fine print for every product.

If you don't like this, don't ever buy smart devices because they /all/ reserve the right to do this kind of stuff.

I avoid smart devices like the plague. If I want my speakers smart, I'll connect them to a suitable control unit. The only thing I want from my speakers is for them to translate electrical waves into pressure waves, the more accurate the better.

Re:Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices ma... by bogomipz on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @09:06PM (#15077700)
>"If you don't like this, don't ever buy smart devices because they /all/ reserve the right to do this kind of stuff."

It seems odd then that you have to actually buy the device before you can even read the terms. I guess the idea is that you can always return it if you don't agree?

Re:Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices ma... by wongarsu on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @09:46PM (#15077891)
I don't know about the US, but in the EU if you don't get to see the terms before buying, the terms are effectively void. (of course most non-trivial EULA-style terms are already void in the EU, since it's well known that nobody reads them)
Re:Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices ma... by badwolf on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @09:24PM (#15077794)
"That'll be a $25 restocking fee, and a $25 open-box fee"
Re:Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices ma... by kartickv on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @01:16AM (#15078678)
Or, in India, typically a 100% restocking fee.
Re:Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices ma... by Spivak on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @02:11PM (#15083730)
So you might as well keep/sell it then?
Re:Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices ma... by cabalamat on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @07:22PM (#15077189)
All my speakers are low-tech analog only devices. There really is little benefit to making most of these devices "smart".
Re:Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices ma... by rconti on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @10:07PM (#15077990)
One benefit is not drilling holes in my walls to run speaker wire all over the place.

Another benefit is not having an audio player tethered in one place.

A third benefit is being able to change the audio settings from any one of a half dozen devices in my house.

Re:Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices ma... by _m7bj on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @05:29AM (#15079893)
The downside is that if you don't keep buying the new systems even though the old ones work perfectly fine, eventually your device will get too old and you will be categorised as a legacy customer. When that happens, your shit will stop working.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/4/4/11362928/google-nest-revol...

That's the future. The dude with the 80's hifi setup knows what's up, in my opinion.

Re:Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices ma... by _khau on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @09:30AM (#15081348)
One benefit is not drilling holes in my walls to run speaker wire all over the place.

Another benefit is not having an audio player tethered in one place.

A third benefit is being able to change the audio settings from any one of a half dozen devices in my house.

Okay, but that's just wireless tech. Why do they need to be constantly connected to the internet and phoning home?

Re:Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices ma... by PascLeRasc on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @10:29PM (#15078087)
I'm the same way and I love my 80's Marantz amp/Boston Acoustics floorstanders setup. But I still keep a cheap Chromecast audio and a $10 Bluetooth receiver around for parties, it's just so much easier especially when people forget their headphone dongles these days.