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Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by jonknee on Sunday July 11, 2010 @10:51AM (#1505540)
I've seen it on at bars and heard it openly mocked--the scenarios in the commercial are so narrow that it can easily make it look useless (or unrealistic like the soldier overseas who not only has an iPhone 4 but access to high-speed WiFi without a firewall).

Save for deaf people and gadget reviewers, few people want to see each other during phone calls on a regular basis. At the same time millions of people want to IM each other, but they haven't built that in yet.

Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by adamesque on Sunday July 11, 2010 @12:26PM (#1505720)
There's nothing in the commercial, actually, that depicts ordinary, routine phone calls. They're intimate conversations between people with deep relationships to each other, who are separated and cannot be together – sometimes at critical, god-I-wish-I-had-a-teleporter moments.

If you've felt the kind of deep longing that sort of separation can cause, you'll immediately understand what Apple is selling here. A lifeline to the ones you love.

Believe me, at those moments there's not a chance you'd rather just be on IM.

Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by edderly on Sunday July 11, 2010 @03:37PM (#1506000)
"critical" moments?

Not really. I think most people would argue as social animals that being physically present at an event underlines the importance and respect for others. No one sane dials into someone's wedding or funeral right?

For me that's why only the opening sequence of the advert worked - keeping in visual contact with your child. The deaf conversation is thrown in as a calculated validation of the goodness of FaceTime, given this, what cold soul could not understand the importance of this technology?

I'm sure medical staff are buzzing with anticipation about their future arguments with hipsters trying to use their phones in scanning units where such devices are usually prohibited.

Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by skybrian on Sunday July 11, 2010 @04:29PM (#1506061)
A video phone isn't for routine phone calls or for marriages or funerals, but there are lots of family events in the middle. It's common for relatives to sometimes be unable to show up for birthdays or Christmas. I have an aunt who bought a video phone to do that when she's in Florida.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by edderly on Sunday July 11, 2010 @06:31PM (#1506282)
I agree but I think the criticisms which are being made here are about the inherent mediocrity of FaceTime and whether it's either original or essential.

The advert is clever in that the only good uses bookend the less good ones. You can't blame them, because you hardly want to sell FaceTime as 'FaceTime: For when you can't be arsed to turn up'

Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by illumin8 on Sunday July 11, 2010 @08:31PM (#1506437)
It's perfectly fine to bring a camera phone to an ultrasound. Now, I doubt they'll let you bring it into the MRI chamber but on the other hand if you're stuck in there you probably don't want to have an iPhone 4 broadcasting your condition to your friend yet anyway.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by axod on Sunday July 11, 2010 @03:17PM (#1505971)
So Apple have made a skype clone for their iPhone :/

Call me unmoved, and unexcited. Why is this important? We've been doing video conferencing for decades now.

You can also just download 'fring' for free on Android to get skype video calls. (You can even use it on 3G or whatever you feel like. Unlike Apple which restricts everything).

Only Apple can routinely release decades old technology and hail it as revolutionary, and seem to get away with it.

Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by jsean on Sunday July 11, 2010 @04:34PM (#1506071)
That's kind of what I thought too. I have been using video calls for ages. Yes really - ages. First time using my htc TyTN/Hermes. Nowadays using my Nokia N900. It's weird your post got downvoted. Someone care to take a guess on why? I would (guess) but I honestly can't find any reason at all besides fanboyism and I don't want to acknowledge that such things happens around here...
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by rimantas on Sunday July 11, 2010 @05:09PM (#1506133)
Describe the steps for video call using iPhone 4 and whatever you used before.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by byoung2 on Monday July 12, 2010 @01:24AM (#1506912)
I've never used the n900, but on the Nokia n800, slide out the camera and the video chat app opens up. Click on a contact to call.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by jsz0 on Sunday July 11, 2010 @05:16PM (#1506148)
The technology isn't revolutionary but making it accessible to people is.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by axod on Sunday July 11, 2010 @05:30PM (#1506169)
"people" use skype all the time. I'm not sure video calling from mobiles will really take off. It's been available on other phones for quite a while now if you look for them. I really only want to video-call when I'm at home. For which skype works just fine.

I can't really imagine wanting to video-call anyone while I'm out or without laptop/netbook.

Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by nuclear_eclipse on Sunday July 11, 2010 @05:33PM (#1506176)
But only if you make it accessible to people with iPhone 4 on both sides of the conversation, and only while in range of an accessible WiFi access point?
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by jsz0 on Sunday July 11, 2010 @09:27PM (#1506501)
Sure. I bet Apple has already sold more video chat capable phones in the US than any other company has in the past. The requirement of having an iPhone 4 at both ends is a barrier but at least it's easy to understand. Otherwise you've got to track down some model of phone with a front facing camera, ensure it can run the right software, install the software on both ends, and exchange usernames, IPs or whatever to establish the call. For most people, especially on family plans, buying the same model of phone is more realistic.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by Naga on Sunday July 11, 2010 @01:29PM (#1505798)
I've always used Skype for that.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by jamn on Sunday July 11, 2010 @11:03AM (#1505561)
I disagree.

As an international student in the US, I personally would enormously benefit from a cell phone that can do video conversations well. My family lives thousands of miles away, and seeing their faces is actually something I really value. We communicate via Skype constantly for the video functions, but this really limits the flexibility of where I can take the calls.

I am going to be working far away from my university, and I will be using video conference to talk to my girlfriend while I'm away. I am considering getting a pair of iPhones for the ease of use and convenience (she's not very tech savvy).

As to IMs, I personally am a heavy IM user, and there's a number of iPhone applications for IMing (Palringo, Beejive, Windows Live Messenger come to mind). I don't use it because it is just too bothersome to have extended conversations when typing with any small keyboard.

Of course, I'm not implying that just because I feel like this would anybody else do, but I don't think it's as crystal clear as the OP describes.

Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by jonknee on Sunday July 11, 2010 @11:12AM (#1505578)
Obviously there are markets for the technology, but they aren't huge and with the existing limitations it's not nearly as easy as the commercial makes it seem. The soldier doesn't have WiFi (or money for two iPhones). The hospital doesn't either for that matter. Grandma and grandpa would have to setup a wireless network before being able to see the granddaughter graduate. At least with my grandparents that means you have to set it up and then fix it every time you visit. The deaf demo is the most realistic, but it can be hard to sign with one hand so a laptop with a webcam will work better in many situations (or frankly just SMS/IM).

Even with the Face Time technical limitations, the lack of video calling isn't a technical problem but a social one. I've had a laptop with a webcam for 5 years and used video calling a handful of times with at least two of them being just to get screenshots for a book on OS X. It makes a great demo, but at the end of the day I almost always prefer text to audio and audio to video.

Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by reneherse on Sunday July 11, 2010 @01:57PM (#1505837)
You're right, the market for people who want to see and talk to their loved ones from far away isn't that big. And WiFi is hardly anywhere. And you have to hold this device in your hand and lug it around in your pocket...
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by sudont on Sunday July 11, 2010 @07:03PM (#1506334)
Just as a counter, I’ve got a handful of friends who actively use iChat’s video functionality. Most just used it to talk to their girlfriends, but one friend in New Zealand virtually attended her best friend’s gallery opening in Minneapolis.

I’d say Facetime’s for the visual masses.

Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by illumin8 on Sunday July 11, 2010 @08:32PM (#1506438)
Actually, almost every military base has wifi, and almost all hospitals do. Please try again.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by asmithmd1 on Sunday July 11, 2010 @01:19PM (#1505786)
Girlfreind you say... How many calls until FaceTime becomes crotch time. I put the over/under at 3.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by Sidnicious on Sunday July 11, 2010 @02:55PM (#1505937)
As a hacker, I'm much more excited by FaceTime as (finally!) a standard for video calling than on iPhones specifically.

But, FaceTime could also work for the general public because up until now, video calling took effort and planning.

Even with Skype, both parties have to sign up for accounts, exchange screen names, make sure they have computers with a camera, speakers, and microphone. If you're really lucky, the computer will be a laptop. And both users have to be at their computers and signed into Skype to make the call, which means that in a lot of cases a video call ends up being coordinated over the phone beforehand.

FaceTime just requires that you know each other's phone numbers, (when the spec is released, I'm sure big, bright "FaceTime Compatible!" stickers will show up on lots of phones) and, for now, be on WiFi. "Upgrading" from a phone call to a video call is as simple as pressing a button. The "cost" to make a call is so much lower.

Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by ChRoss on Sunday July 11, 2010 @09:31PM (#1506506)
I think to be fair, in order to use FaceTime: both parties have to sign up to certain provider, buy iPhone4 (we're talking as per current. What will happen in future, who knows?)

By the way, as I don't have iPhone4, I curious about this scenario, what will happen if I'm on FaceTime chat with someone, and another people call my number? Will the call go through and the FaceTime chat dropped?

Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by richcollins on Sunday July 11, 2010 @11:27AM (#1505606)
Almost no one watching the commercial knows that you need wifi without a firewall.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by xenophanes on Sunday July 11, 2010 @11:43AM (#1505631)
You don't need wifi without a firewall.

It's supposed to "just work". In an iPhone review (at Ars? One of the big sites.) they tested this, and it worked fine for home use (home users usually do have a firewall...), it only choked, sometimes, on corporate firewalls.

Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by jonknee on Sunday July 11, 2010 @11:52AM (#1505647)
You do need a network without a firewall or at least one you can open ports on:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4245

"To use FaceTime on a restricted Wi-Fi network, port forwarding must be enabled for ports 53, 80, 443, 4080, 5223, and 16393-16472 (UDP)"

Regardless, my point was that it would almost certainly not work on a military base. They have gone so far as to ban all camera phones in Iraq, real time video conferencing outside of the military's view is not going to be allowed in combat areas. It also wouldn't look to great over satellite.

Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by erik on Sunday July 11, 2010 @01:30PM (#1505800)
At KAF in Afghanistan, a friend of mine was able to sign up for non-firewalled, civilian run, wireless internet access for ~$150/month. It was slow, and used a satellite for uplink. But it was good enough that he could use Skype to have video conversations with his wife.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by bradleyland on Sunday July 11, 2010 @10:57PM (#1506645)
You do not have to manually forward any ports. Your quote from the Apple KB is taken out of context. Specifically, that article addresses networks with robust firewalls that support policies where automatic port configuration isn't allowed. In these cases, the firewall administrator would have to explicitly allow FaceTime... but this doesn't apply your your average retail purchase router.

FaceTime uses uPnP, which is supported on just about any router you'd buy for under $200 at your local retailer. If you're able to play XBox or PS3 online, your iPhone should connect a FaceTime call without trouble.

Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by cmelbye on Sunday July 11, 2010 @01:55PM (#1505834)
You definitely don't need those ports forwarded. If you remember the introduction, Steve listed a lot of protocols. If I remember correctly from looking into some of them, a few were for making connections around firewalls.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by jonknee on Sunday July 11, 2010 @01:59PM (#1505839)
Regardless of what Steve said, Apple's official support document notes that you need to have those ports open (or forwarded). I'll go with the documentation, you can go with what Steve said.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by cmelbye on Sunday July 11, 2010 @02:01PM (#1505844)
That's just stupid. You really think you need to setup a static IP on your phone and then forward ports to it? How would it work if you had multiple phones on the network? It wouldn't. Furthermore, I have several friends that have gotten the phone already, and they were able to FaceTime out of the box in the store and when they got home without any configuration.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by demallien on Sunday July 11, 2010 @04:51PM (#1506097)
Regardless, you can't really argue with the Apple tech note that jonknee linked to - those ports really do need to have port-forwarding enabled for it to work. I'm a big Apple fan, but they still have gotten the firewall-piercing trick down as well as Skype has.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by astrange on Monday July 12, 2010 @02:41AM (#1507057)
The firewall punching (STUN) works as well as firewall punching works for anyone else. Peer-to-peer between phones won't work if the firewall is setup to block phones, but Skype won't work if the firewall blocks Skype.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by jonknee on Sunday July 11, 2010 @05:09PM (#1506129)
A home network and a corporate or military network are much different. Your friends' home network probably has no firewall running on it so all ports are allowed. It's fairly common for corporate networks to whitelist ports and in that case you will need to explicitly open them up or set up forwarding (per Apple's advice).
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by byoung2 on Sunday July 11, 2010 @12:20PM (#1505713)
I'm willing to bet that places like Starbucks and airports who are offering free wifi will start blocking/throttling bandwidth-intensive apps like Facetime as popularity grows. You'll start to see network issues at these hotspots just like you see with AT&T.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by AndyKelley on Sunday July 11, 2010 @11:45AM (#1505636)
But you do need a wifi connection? Even that is hard for a mac user to set up. Try explaining how to connect to a wifi hotspot to your grandma.
Re:The power of Apple's FaceTime commercial by arn on Sunday July 11, 2010 @03:07PM (#1505959)
You must not have kids yet.