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Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by charlieo88 on Friday August 18, 2017 @11:03AM (#15046798)
It's not always a computer problem. I have an O' name. There have been many college educated adults I've had to explain the difference between a quote ("), an apostrophe ('), and whatever the hell you call the character under the tilde (`). I kid, it's the grave.
Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by pjungwir on Friday August 18, 2017 @04:29PM (#15049478)
If you really want some fun, try explaining to people the difference between modern Greek tonos (e.g. ή, Unicode 03ae) and ancient Greek oxia (e.g. ή, Unicode 1f75). Or in UTF-8:

    paul@tal:~$ od --format=x1z tmp/tonos-oxia
    0000000 74 6f 6e 6f 73 3a 20 ce ae 0a 6f 78 69 61 3a 20  >tonos: ...oxia: <
    0000020 20 e1 bd b5 0a                                   > ....<
It's super fun when you are the only tech person in a Classics grad program and everyone else is turning in papers that look like ransom notes, because every fourth vowel has a different x-height from all the other letters. :-)

Here are the two Unicode ranges (PDF):

modern Greek: http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0370.pdf

ancient Greek: http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1F00.pdf

Then again, try explaining to tech people the difference between ή and ἠ and how you can get ἤ or ᾔ. :-)

Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by Grustaf on Saturday August 19, 2017 @04:36AM (#15052366)
You're not saying the classicists confuse the smooth breathing with the acute accent, right? Only they can't figure out how to typeset them?

How do you enter them nowadays by the way? In the early days of the internet before unicode there were special fonts from SIL for example that first of all were using Latin characters (you'd type W and it would look like Ω) and secondly I think had the diacritics as separate characters, so the font would combine them. It was messy but at least you could type it on a normal keyboard. You could even read it in its ASCII form, most of the hacks were pretty reasonable.

Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by pjungwir on Monday August 21, 2017 @11:01PM (#15069402)
Not smooth breathing and acute, but Unicode has two codepoints for acute accents (sort of). One is the modern Greek tonos, which often looks just like an acute accent but sometimes appears as a dot or straight vertical line, and the other codepoint is the ancient Greek oxia (the ancient term for the acute accent), which appears with all the other marks and their combinations (grave, circumflex, smooth/rough breathing, iota subscript).

Personally I type Greek using a vim keymap file, usually when writing LaTeX. I believe my keymap file is influenced by those older non-Unicode fonts, because I type w for ω and ;h for ή and >~h| for ᾖ. But my fellow students would mostly use Word. I don't know how they would type the letters, but commonly they would mix the tonos letters with everything else. I think what was happening is that Word would automatically substitute fonts that offered those codepoints, so it would end up showing Times for the letters with tonos and Palatino for the others (or something like that). Hence the ransom note effect.

Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by memco on Saturday August 19, 2017 @01:21AM (#15051826)
My kingdom for a good monospaced font and supporting editor to handle these and RTL languages. I've found Setups that work with one or the other, but none seems to do it all just yet.
Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by eadmund on Saturday August 19, 2017 @10:35AM (#15053582)
The combination of Adobe Source Code Pro & emacs works well for me.
Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by halfdgvfyjjuc on Friday August 18, 2017 @11:22AM (#15046978)
That character is a backtick not a grave isn't it? Also some cultures use «» as quotes. It's a big world.
Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by dsp1234 on Friday August 18, 2017 @12:07PM (#15047392)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grave_accent

"Programmers use the grave accent symbol as a separate character (i.e., not combined with any letter) for a number of tasks. In this role, it is known as a backquote or backtick."

Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by mark-r on Friday August 18, 2017 @06:59PM (#15050404)
ASCII never really supported the idea of a combining character, so it's not surprising that the original intent was subverted.
Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by kgwgk on Saturday August 19, 2017 @05:13AM (#15052475)
ASCII supported combining characters. That’s what backspace was for!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11654682

Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by mark-r on Saturday August 19, 2017 @10:38AM (#15053611)
That was very illuminating, thanks. Interesting that the idea was there originally but was later deprecated when they realized video terminals couldn't do it. Today it would be trivial to convert the sequence letter/backspace/accent to its UTF-8 equivalent.
Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by ygra on Saturday August 19, 2017 @04:42AM (#15052382)
Heck, in some fonts ` even takes the form of ‛ or ‘. Which is probably where typing quotes like ``this'' comes from (which looks absolutely awful nowadays since it mixes an uncombined diacritic with a kludge of a punctuation character).
Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by 0xffff2 on Friday August 18, 2017 @11:29AM (#15047046)
Is there a difference? I think those are both words for the same character.
Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by pc86 on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:02PM (#15047866)
It's a backtick when by itself, grave when it's an accent over another character.
Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by bmm6o on Friday August 18, 2017 @11:19AM (#15046958)
For an extra challenge, you can explain what an 'okina is.
Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by kijin on Friday August 18, 2017 @11:19AM (#15046957)
The backtick and apostrophe are often used to emulate ``curly quotes,'' which makes the confusion even worse.
Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by jamescostian on Friday August 18, 2017 @11:30AM (#15047047)
I think this style might come from TeX, based on this comment: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/17695/any-refere...

Manpages aren't written in TeX though (apparently they use something called "roff"), but they also contain things like `read' instead of 'read'... perhaps manpage writers tended to like TeX too?

Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by gpvos on Friday August 18, 2017 @06:16PM (#15050185)
Probably the other way round: roff/troff/nroff is older than TeX. I guess that on old computer typesetters, ` and ' turned into nicely balanced quotes.
Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by tankenmate on Saturday August 19, 2017 @12:20PM (#15054169)
roff was the financial back reason that Unix moved from PDP-7 / assembler to PDP-11 / C.

http://www.read.seas.harvard.edu/~kohler/class/aosref/ritchi...

Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by teddyh on Saturday August 19, 2017 @10:27AM (#15053536)
In old fonts, ` often displayed as ‘ and ' displayed as ’. When they wrote ``foo'', that was meant to show up as ‘‘foo’’, which was a workaround for not having characters to properly spell “foo”.
Re:My last name makes me invisible to Computers (2015) by l0b0 on Saturday August 19, 2017 @03:43AM (#15052210)
Even more annoying is when you realise that those quotes are a hack because keyboards don't have separate left and right single and double quotation marks. The rabbit hole goes deeper…