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Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by lucb1e on Thursday July 27, 2017 @04:04PM (#14868918)
I don't know what that link is, but after 10 seconds of loading over LTE I gave up in favor of my data bundle. I hope it doesn't go towards whatever that is.

Personally I'm a big fan of blog posts: they're written for a broader audience in understandable language. I don't have any trouble reading English, but papers are almost universally written in a way that is more complicated than necessary. And in blog posts, if someone made a "novel new algorithm", at least you can be sure there's code, raw test data, screenshots, or whatever else is needed to DIY. And someone on the web is talking about it, perhaps even with comments below the post itself.

Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by TeMPOraL on Thursday July 27, 2017 @04:09PM (#14868978)
The link is to the Bret Victor's rewrite of a scientific paper, in which he introduces illustrations and interactivity for the important (and difficult) points of the paper.

I edited the link to the more "lightweight" version (i.e. just the page, without loading his entire homepage as well, which is kind of heavy), so please consider trying again.

I agree with you RE blog posts, and the point of me linking to Bret Victor's work is to give an example of a form that's better-suited to the media we operate with today. Papers still live in the paper age (pun not intended).

Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by groby_b on Thursday July 27, 2017 @04:49PM (#14869345)
I love Bret's work, but I consider this rewrite pretty much entirely unreadable. I'm sure it's great for skimming - what with the bolding, and the flood of pictures - but that's not the point of scientific papers.
Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by tomjakubowski on Thursday July 27, 2017 @06:32PM (#14870282)
It would be better with a layout that flowed only from top to bottom. Reading text mixed with diagrams left-to-right, and then top-to-bottom, is hard, as you point out.

Since Bret has liberated the scientific article from paper, we may as well take advantage of the more flexible layout possible with digital media. Interactive diagrams are so nice for learning that I think it's worth pursuing Victor's idea further. Fred Akalin's blog has a couple great examples! https://www.akalin.com/quintic-unsolvability

Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by jtmcmc on Thursday July 27, 2017 @05:25PM (#14869736)
scientific papers and general blog posts have completely different audiences and intentions.

The purpose of a paper is to be rigorous and exact and move the field of study forward. That tends to make them dense and use the fields jargon - which is short hand for massive amounts of information.

Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by Fordrus on Thursday July 27, 2017 @06:20PM (#14870171)
While this is partially true, it is also DEFINITELY true that there is a large amount of academic posturing going on in the field of Molecular Biology, at least. I've read MANY papers that could've been both more exactly and more simply written if they'd avoided needless jargon. Yet my own experience with it indicates that they probably had to put in the jargon in order to get published- so much so that they may have been required to do a re-write or two to insert more 'academic language' to get accepted. Quite annoying.
Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by civilitty on Friday July 28, 2017 @12:16AM (#14871922)
Academic posturing is a superficial criticism, at least in the life sciences. I've spent far more time trying to replicate intermediate protocols in peer reviewed papers than I've spent trying to understand their data and conclusions. If it weren't for ambitious undergrads and PhD candidates, I'd spend most of my time identifying why one manufacturer's reagents failed but another's didn't than actually doing research or writing grants.

The problem isn't the jargon itself, it's the fact that most labs have built up decades of institutional knowledge that they hoard for fear of their research being "scooped." I'm just thankful I don't work in downstream medical research anymore, where the number of replicable papers goes from one in two to one in ten, at best.

Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by Fordrus on Friday July 28, 2017 @02:06AM (#14872322)
I agree the the posturing is not the essence of the infection, and didn't mean to communicate that. It does make wading through papers substantially more difficult, however, and that is a sincere and severe annoyance, though the tendency to hoard knowledge for fear of being scooped is a greater one.

Your comment about reagents from one manufacturer failing while another succeeded brings back fond memories of trying to make our own botulinum neurotoxin to study neurons- and the rest about hoarding institutional knowledge reminds me why I tried to get out of that. I was one of those ambitious undergrads, but I permitted myself to wilt under the insanity of a system in which I KNEW that a partnered laboratory knew exactly what to do, but they were forbidden to share the knowledge because of politics. By the time I had cut through the wasteful uselessness, I discovered that the only sane person there, one who had been willing to share knowledge, she had actually DIED.

And so I merrily skipped over to the bioinformatics department, which has issues as well but in which I was able to manage them fairly effectively. :D

Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by lbeltrame on Friday July 28, 2017 @12:56AM (#14872080)
> The problem isn't the jargon itself, it's the fact that most labs have built up decades of institutional knowledge that they hoard for fear of their research being "scooped."

Unfortunately it's the same for software and algorithms (at least in bioinformatics, which is my field). Everything is treated like closely guarded secrets, at least in the smaller environments.

Thankfully the tendency is slowly being reversed and there are even things developed out in the open: the "problem" with those is that being in the open, it's harder to get publications out.

Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by adrianratnapala on Thursday July 27, 2017 @10:41PM (#14871532)
Yep even well written papers will be dense and jargonistic for laymen -- and it is childish to expect everything to be well written.

But imagine if the incentives of scholars somehow shift so that they look less to funding committees and more to the audiences of blogs and magazine articles. I think such a shift would do more good than harm.

Scholars would still write serious papers to establish their reputation amongst each-other, but insofar as they rush to publish, I'd rather they pump out accessible blog style articles than the kind of gibberish that is made today in order to inflate the citation metrics.

Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by visarga on Friday July 28, 2017 @12:31AM (#14871977)
You might be referring to a different field that I usually read, but "the kind of gibberish" that is in papers is much more clear and exact than blog-style hand wavy explanations.
Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by mathperson on Thursday July 27, 2017 @07:44PM (#14870776)
When you say blog posts I assume you don't mean something like the OP?

you mean something like https://terrytao.wordpress.com/

or

https://blogs.princeton.edu/imabandit/

Then yes I think these are a very valuable and increasingly important part of the scientific process. I think you might benefit from labelling the blog as 'math blog' which is quite distinct from the original link.

Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by tnecniv on Thursday July 27, 2017 @06:02PM (#14870030)
> I don't have any trouble reading English, but papers are almost universally written in a way that is more complicated than necessary.

This is a function of two things. The first is that venues often have strict page limits for their submissions. Authors typically have a lot to say and not a lot of space to say it, so they pick language that is precise, dense, and typically colorless. The second is that every domain has a lot of style and nomenclature that the layman won't know. It can be learned, but you must remember scientists write for each other, not for the layman.

Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by lucb1e on Thursday July 27, 2017 @06:44PM (#14870362)
The first point: fair enough. I'd still see that as a shortcoming of the medium and something to be solved (rather than "just the way it is"), but that's reasonable.

The second: I was talking about reading papers from my own field. That I don't understand a Biology paper (which indeed I don't -- I've tried) is perfectly understandable, but infosec papers shouldn't (and don't) contain any unknown lingo to me. It's just a very convoluted way of writing.

Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by visarga on Friday July 28, 2017 @12:33AM (#14871991)
Regarding short dense papers: have you seen the infamous SELU paper? It's got an epic 93 page appendix.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.02515

Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by seszett on Friday July 28, 2017 @02:25AM (#14872378)
> I don't know what that link is, but after 10 seconds of loading over LTE I gave up in favor of my data bundle.

The whole thing is 283 kB and half of that is due to three small images that are already compressed as much as is possible (but that are actually part of the comment about the paper formatting, not the paper itself).

That seems very reasonable for a scientific paper which would have been about the same size as a PDF.

Re:Sci-Hub’s cache of pirated papers is so big, subscription... by TeMPOraL on Friday July 28, 2017 @02:32AM (#14872402)
It's my fault. The link originally was this:

http://worrydream.com/#!/ScientificCommunicationAsSequential...

which loads the article... plus the entire homepage of Bret Victor, which is kind of heavy.