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Re:Snopes asks community for donations by martin1975 on Monday July 24, 2017 @12:56PM (#14840149)
Never liked their liberal bias for many of the things they report where the truth of something cannot be ascertained. I won't be donating.

edit:

wow, didn't know there was this many snopes lovers on here. Got downvoted to hell. Funny thing is, Silicon Valley's leadership/VCs is extremely conservative, yet the people who work for them, namely lots of people who read HN aren't... weird.

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by sctb on Monday July 24, 2017 @04:57PM (#14842620)
The guidelines ask us to not complain about downvotes, and it's especially important that we don't make generalizations about the community at the same time. It's mere provocation and doesn't help us towards the kind of thoughtful discussion we're after here.
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by accountyaccount on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:16PM (#14840448)
There's a lot of stupidity on both ends of the political spectrum, but the nature of conservatism seems more prone to conspiracy generation because it's essentially a bunch of political viewpoints that culminate to: government is bad.

Just look at a list of popular conspiracy theories, if you start to label each one... there are generally common threads of anti-government rhetoric. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories

Everything from chemtrails to roswell and the moon landing hinge on "the government is trying to fool you" rhetoric.

There are plenty of dangerously bad liberal-leaning conspiracy theories (liberals and conservatives share fault for anti-vax), but it seems fairly obvious that conservative-based theories outpace them in volume.

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by JumpCrisscross on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:33PM (#14840648)
> the nature of conservatism seems more prone to conspiracy generation

True, but probably not for the reason you describe. Anxiety is a prominent undertone in conservative psychology [1]. That is the nexus conservatism shares with conspiracy theories.

(Note that "liberal" and "conservative@ don't neatly map to modern political parties in almost any democracy.)

[1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/calling-truce-pol...

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by martin1975 on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:36PM (#14840683)
yeah, as opposed to liberal trash that makes every corporation that hires nearly 100 million Americans evil... I get your point. Perhaps its something about "truth assessment" websites that gives me the heebie-jeebies.
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by patorjk on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:02PM (#14840257)
Like others have stated, I'd like some examples of this. I was first introduced to Snopes by a conservative coworker of mine. From everything I've seen of the site, they're pretty good at trying to be neutral.
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by rfrank on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:12PM (#14840396)
1. Fact-Checking Snopes: Website’s Political ‘Fact-Checker’ Is Just A Failed Liberal Blogger: http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/17/fact-checking-snopes-websi...

2. Snopes, Which Will Be Fact-Checking For Facebook, Employs Leftists Almost Exclusively: http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/16/snopes-facebooks-new-fact-...

3. The Daily Mail Snopes Story And Fact Checking The Fact Checkers: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-dai...

4. Who’s Checking the Fact Checkers?: https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/s...

Oh HN, downvoting what was asked for. This is why nobody likes talking to you about politics and you think your minority opinions are the majority.

>One person in Silicon Valley even asked me to sign a confidentiality agreement before she would talk to me, as she worried she’d lose her job if people at her company knew she was a strong Trump supporter. - What I Heard From Trump Supporters, sama.

> The fact that, as the Lichter study shows, "A majority of Democratic statements (54 percent) were rated as mostly or entirely true, compared to only 18 percent of Republican statements," probably has more to do with how the statements were picked and the subjective bias of the fact checker involved than anything remotely empirical. Likewise, the fact that "a majority of Republican statements (52 percent) were rated as mostly or entirely false, compared to only 24 percent of Democratic statements" probably has more to do with spinning stories than it does with evaluating statements.

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by burkaman on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:37PM (#14840699)
1. This has some examples of articles the author feels are biased.

> http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-benghazi-msnbc/

Good points, this quote was taken out of context.

> http://www.snopes.com/orlando-shooter-was-democrat/

Good points, Trump was registered as a Democrat in 2001. Old registrations aren't a great predictor of current views.

> http://www.snopes.com/is-facebook-censoring-conservative-new...

Pretty fair, there is no primary source evidence either way, so the article concludes with "Unproven". This was not "opinion-heavy" or "mocking".

> http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-armani-jacket/

Very fair, the claim was wrong on both counts.

2. This article ignores the executive editor's registrations as a Republican and Independent, and doesn't provide any examples of biased Snopes content.

3. This is a nearly fact-free article. The author seems shocked that Snopes doesn't hire unbiased people, but such people don't exist.

4. This article does not mention Snopes.

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by Pxtl on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:18PM (#14840474)
Wait, you're complaining about the bias of a site and your first two references are tucker carlson's site?
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by rfrank on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:20PM (#14840497)
I didn't complain about anything, I provided links when someone asked why Snopes is perceived as liberally biased. I get why that's confusing for you though. That's why I included the 3rd link, which addresses, and confirms, the points discussed there from a source that's more palatable to the left.

It's pretty funny really, your comment is indicative of what people perceive as bias. If Carlson's site is somehow off limits for discussion, does that mean that editorials by Maddow, Morning Joe & Mika, Anderson Cooper, etc, are all worthless due to their bias? Or are only right wing sources ok to completely write off?

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by martin1975 on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:39PM (#14840712)
And this is why Trump won. And I'm the one to admit I voted for Obama twice before.
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by rfrank on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:46PM (#14840803)
Eh whatever, the way they act is neutering the left for years to come and they don't even see it. It's pretty funny to watch at this point. Don't worry 2018 will be great!!! Referendum!!!
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by martin1975 on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:37PM (#14840698)
You're honestly going to confirm bias by not changing the frame of reference? Man, you better not hope to be a lawyer in this lifetime with that mindset
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by burkaman on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:02PM (#14840247)
I honestly don't think I've ever heard anyone accuse Snopes of bias. Are you confusing them with Politifact?
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by wolrah on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:26PM (#14840578)
Lots of people do it, usually after someone posts a Snopes article proving that the thing the complainer posted is BS.
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by crummy on Monday July 24, 2017 @12:57PM (#14840177)
Can you post examples of this? Just curious.
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by ihsw2 on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:04PM (#14840275)
Not providing an example but Snopes is apparently biased in every single direction -- left, right, up, down, etc.

http://www.snopes.com/info/notes/politics.asp

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by dEnigma on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:13PM (#14840413)
That's a hilarious read. Every site that strives to be neutral should keep a list like that.
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by Karunamon on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:08PM (#14840345)
Yeah, there's no journalistic standards over there (and granted I don't think they ever claimed otherwise). Snopes tries to be a debunker, but for political matters, it'll just be debunking in favor of whoever wrote the particular article.

Great for chain letters and virus alerts, but there are probably better places to find out the truth behind the latest political outrage circulating among your friends.

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by brightball on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:15PM (#14840439)
Wasn't there some huge thing in the news about one of their political fact checkers being any actual liberal blogger? I seem to remember that from a couple of years back.

EDIT: Why was the question worthy of a down vote?

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by GrinningFool on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:42PM (#14840758)
There was a blog post that got traction anyway.

But why is that relevant? I (and assume most people) are capable of assuming different modes of writing, including modes devoid of opinion; or with opinion carefully noted as such.

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by brightball on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:49PM (#14840840)
Parent just asked for an example and I remembered that.

People who feel strongly enough about something to write legitimately leaning fluff pieces are not the personality type that I expect to be able to assume writing modes devoid of opinion, personally. I know very few people who aren't considered moderate/independent who I believe could pull that off.

These are the same people who've been proven to disbelieve factual information when it contradicts their world view.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1284908...

That is the type of person that I would not trust in a "fact checker" position, especially one in which their version of events will be cited by others as "fact".

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by j_bond on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:25PM (#14840556)
Kim LaCapria I think.
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Re:Snopes asks community for donations by pcwalton on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:15PM (#14840436)
> With the number of somewhat mysterious deaths now over 100, this article looks like they gave up trying to debunk all these deaths about ten years ago.

That's because the "Clinton Body Count" is an textbook example of a Gish Gallop [1], a bad-faith debating tactic in which charlatans spread nonsense by spewing forth so much of it that opponents have no hope of countering it all with facts.

[1]: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by MartinCron on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:26PM (#14840576)
I had never heard of this before, thank you so much for connecting this to a name.

Aha, you've only bothered to refute 48 of my 100 bullshit claims, clear evidence liberal bias!

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by mturmon on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:31PM (#14840636)
Interestingly, the comment to which you're responding seems ready to mount its own Gish Gallop: it uses the old "I don't even know where to begin" gambit at the outset.
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by patorjk on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:15PM (#14840433)
> Claim: Bill Clinton has quietly done away with several dozen people who possessed incriminating evidence about him.

> Rating: False

I think you're mistaking your own bias for their's. They have 48 people on that list. Are you insisting that there need to be more deaths that need to be debunked in order for that claim to be rated as something other than False? Unless you have a really good argument for a particular name or names, you come off as someone who will never be satisfied.

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by untog on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:09PM (#14840366)
So to be clear, the one objection you can articulate after your earlier blanket statement is that they've stopped updating a list of crank conspiracy deaths after every one they investigated turned out to be false?

Face it, you want this absurd Clinton conspiracy theory to be true, and you dislike Snopes because they consistently debunk it. That's not bias, that's presenting truth.

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by burkaman on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:06PM (#14840310)
Any particular numbers on that page you think are wrong or biased? All of the examples I've looked at so far are fair.
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by wnevets on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:19PM (#14840485)
It's kinda sad when you realize people like this really exist.
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by Kroniker on Monday July 24, 2017 @02:14PM (#14841125)
In defense of the Clinton body count thing, I think it would be an assassin's number 1 goal to make an assassination seems like anything but, so it would be reasonable that there would be more reasonable explanations for every incident.

Not saying it happened, or any of those deaths were assassinations, but the nature of the claim makes it perniciously difficult to refute.

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by MartinCron on Monday July 24, 2017 @05:30PM (#14842904)
If a man who couldn't even get away with some consensual foolin' around with an intern without it becoming global news had access to an untraceable assassination force capable of removing people with impunity, how do you explain the fact that so many of his enemies are still alive?

This one fails the smell test, hard.

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by spcelzrd on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:09PM (#14840367)
You own a VHS copy of Loose Change, don't you?
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by sgift on Monday July 24, 2017 @12:58PM (#14840193)
Liberal bias?
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by dhbarnett on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:03PM (#14840263)
It's sort of like saying fake news. It's easier than changing your position when confronted with inconvenient facts.
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by martin1975 on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:56PM (#14840916)
rocks are hard, water's wet... no one denies those facts.

But if someone suggests that Seth Rich shot himself twice in the back of his head..... and Snopes calls it false, does that make Snopes left or right leaning?

How is that quest for "value free facts" going for you?

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by jaredsohn on Monday July 24, 2017 @02:19PM (#14841183)
I think the real point of snopes is that it includes a lot of the information you may want to consider when exploring the truth of something. Is it okay to disagree with Snopes? Sure, but you should indicate what facts it isn't taking into account or which inaccuracies are included in its write up. This lets you have a more substantive discussion than just believing the original claim or just dismissing Snopes as fake news.
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by beat on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:17PM (#14840453)
Facts have a known liberal bias.

- Rob Corddry

Re:Snopes asks community for donations by pyroinferno on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:31PM (#14840627)
>He is known for his work as a correspondent on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

The irony

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Re:Snopes asks community for donations by beat on Monday July 24, 2017 @03:46PM (#14841977)
Why can't Bob decide whether or not she's a woman? Don't you believe in individual freedom?
Re:Snopes asks community for donations by frou_dh on Monday July 24, 2017 @04:07PM (#14842180)