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Re:Kindness is Underrated (2014) by TazeTSchnitzel on Sunday July 16, 2017 @12:48PM (#14782818)
> In many contexts, being kind just means being a professional.

Which, taken to its logical conclusion, means that some important figures in our industry (e.g. Linus Torvalds) act quite unprofessionally. Sadly, this seems to be true.

Re:Kindness is Underrated (2014) by pdonis on Sunday July 16, 2017 @01:31PM (#14783097)
> Which, taken to its logical conclusion, means that some important figures in our industry (e.g. Linus Torvalds) act quite unprofessionally.

No, it doesn't. It means that the people Linus has to say harsh things do are being unprofessional--because, as Linus himself said in the quote given in the article, when he tries to say things kindly--"Please don't do that"--people don't listen. If those people were being professional, they would realize that when Linus says "Please don't do that", they need to listen.

The article even acknowledges this:

"If you really have trust and conviction that your peers are not wasting your time, you pay attention when they say something - a “please don’t do that”, to quote Linus’ example, ends up being one of the more strongly worded pieces of guidance you can get."

So the problem isn't Linus, it's all the people who don't take the time to realize that it's not a waste of time to pay attention to what he says--so he has to shout to make himself heard.

Re:Kindness is Underrated (2014) by JoshTriplett on Sunday July 16, 2017 @01:48PM (#14783211)
That's a self-fulfilling problem, though: if you have a community of people built around flames and attacks, then anything short of that may have a harder time getting noticed and acknowledged. It raises the noise floor, and drowns out other signals.

Build a community that doesn't have that problem, and people will respect disagreement and "don't do that" without the accompanying toxicity.

Re:Kindness is Underrated (2014) by pdonis on Sunday July 16, 2017 @03:24PM (#14783696)
> if you have a community of people built around flames and attacks

The Linux community is not built around flames and attacks. Linus' flames are what get public attention, but that doesn't mean they are the majority, or even a significant minority, of all his communications. He has explained many times exactly what the conditions are under which he will flame--basically, that a kernel developer does something that he has already explained many, many times should never be done, like breaking userspace. Do something that meets those conditions, you get flamed. Don't do something like that, and you don't.

Re:Kindness is Underrated (2014) by JoshTriplett on Sunday July 16, 2017 @05:54PM (#14784304)
The Linux kernel community, by and large, has far more vitriol than average. It's far more than just Linus; many other developers do the same.
Re:Kindness is Underrated (2014) by pdonis on Sunday July 16, 2017 @06:18PM (#14784394)
Do you have data backing this up, or is it just an opinion?
Re:Kindness is Underrated (2014) by JoshTriplett on Sunday July 16, 2017 @06:26PM (#14784425)
Personal experience working in that community and other communities for a prolonged period of time, as well as the first-hand experience of many other developers I've worked with, and the second-hand reports of an even larger set of developers.

I'm also aware of projects to do more formal analysis of various FOSS communities, such as FOSS Heartbeat.

But in the meantime, the plural of "anecdote" is absolutely "data" for sufficiently large values of "plural".

Re:Kindness is Underrated (2014) by pdonis on Sunday July 16, 2017 @08:55PM (#14784961)
> the plural of "anecdote" is absolutely "data" for sufficiently large values of "plural".

I disagree, but I doubt we're going to resolve that here. To me, "the plural of anecdote is data" means "I can't be bothered to figure out whether the information I have is actually representative of the population".

Re:Kindness is Underrated (2014) by maxxxxx on Sunday July 16, 2017 @03:14PM (#14783653)
Make an effort to actually read his comments. He is very kind and patient but he expects to be treated kindly too.
Re:Kindness is Underrated (2014) by psyc on Sunday July 16, 2017 @02:23PM (#14783379)
It's a big world. There's room for a Linus or 2.
Re:Kindness is Underrated (2014) by tomjen3 on Sunday July 16, 2017 @01:13PM (#14782981)
I hate the word professional, because it comes with a lot of stupid baggage (in particular, it doesn't, or shouldn't, matter if I am in a suit or a hoaddy), but I can agree with that small part of it.