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Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by tom_mellior on Monday July 03, 2017 @06:49PM (#14692036)
> I see this as a step in the wrong direction.

Agreed. The council's press release mentions that this will enable the use of the character in passports. The horror for the poor people who have this in their name! I hope for their sake they will have a say in this. Otherwise, filling in any form abroad will become a headache.

Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by mzs on Monday July 03, 2017 @08:36PM (#14692601)
For us Poles it's a toss-up whether MICHAŁ is interpreted as MICHAL or MICHAK at borders.
Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by odiroot on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @04:25AM (#14694394)
Actually, funnily enough German government agencies properly write Ł on all my papers. I needed to settle for L anyway because banks, telcos etc. have a huge problem with it.

On the other hand in some other countries it ends up being some random crap. Eg.: Micha%b

Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by germanier on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @05:12AM (#14694604)
Interestingly, the German government has defined their own subset of Unicode for use on documents: http://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/PERS/Themen/Vorh...
Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by int_19h on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @03:40AM (#14694225)
Wait, how does it become K suddenly? I mean, if it's something other than L, shouldn't it then really be W?
Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by nicky0 on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @04:50AM (#14694503)
It looks a bit like A K.
Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by germanier on Monday July 03, 2017 @07:31PM (#14692237)
It is already standard (and always was) to use the ß in passports as this is the only correct way, problems abroad notwithstanding. However, if you can prove that it creates hardship abroad this is one of very few permissible reasons to change your name in Germany.
Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by fkistner on Monday July 03, 2017 @06:53PM (#14692058)
How is this different from names that contain an umlaut (ÄÖÜ)?
Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by tom_mellior on Monday July 03, 2017 @07:02PM (#14692094)
Foreign officials ignore the umlaut when looking at your passport or when transcribing what you scribbled onto a paper form. It's (rightly) viewed as a modifier of a letter they know. (In contrast, the sharp S is a letter they don't know. Many people think it's a B.) When filling in electronic forms, you're typically better off leaving off umlauts.

Source: A lifetime of experience with funky accents in my name, not living in the place where the name comes from.

Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by kuschku on Monday July 03, 2017 @08:14PM (#14692491)
That’s actually the worst thing you can do. That actually violates the relevant DIN standards for transcription.

You have to replace Ä with AE, Ö with OE, Ü with UE.

You won’t find a person named Müller under Muller in any database, especially not digital databases.

For electronic forms, always use äöüß, or, if the system happens to be an American one (the only form I’ve ever had to fill where I couldn’t use äöüß was a US DoD export declaration), use ae oe ue ss. Although be aware that some US software will have an issue with that, too, and just remove ß and assume äöü to be aou.

Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by tom_mellior on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @02:36AM (#14693973)
Yeah, I guess you're right for German. My accents are different.
Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by ferongr on Monday July 03, 2017 @11:14PM (#14693258)
Do people outside Germany even care about DIN standards?
Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by yorwba on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @12:47AM (#14693601)
The machine-readable part of the German passport uses this DIN standard, so to avoid having to explain German orthography to some suspicious border guard, you'd better make sure you use it.
Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by germanier on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @05:23AM (#14694640)
But when you get a US visa, the name in both the visual and machine redeable part is written with ä replaced by a, so you end up with three different spellings in your passport. And then you get a Russian visa, where they use a pretty strange transliteration into the Cyrillic alphabet (not the one I would use) and then transform that back to ASCII in the machine readable zone for variant 5. And so on.
Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by fkistner on Monday July 03, 2017 @07:14PM (#14692148)
I see your point. But wouldn't this problem be better addressed with an additional field on one's passport, which states the name in a standardized alphabet, e.g. ASCII?

Asian passports seem to include something like this.

Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by int_19h on Tuesday July 04, 2017 @03:42AM (#14694232)
Most (all?) countries that use non-Latin alphabets include a romanized name for these reasons.

The only problem is that often there isn't a good clearly unambiguous set of rules on how to do that. For the forms, it doesn't matter, so long as the country chooses one and sticks with it. But it can mess up the pronunciation of your name real bad.

Re:The capital sharp S in now part of the official German or... by germanier on Monday July 03, 2017 @07:26PM (#14692213)
The passports contain such a field in the machine readable zone. It has created some confusion in the past, as the transformations ß -> ss and ä -> ae are pretty surprising if you never heard of that.