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Re:Hacks Raise Fear Over N.S.A.’s Hold on Cyberweapons by pjc50 on Thursday June 29, 2017 @11:54AM (#14664260)
This is an under-appreciated point. We've forgotten all the old hard Cold War lessons about escalation.

What we are seeing now is a huge expansion of deniable and proxy warfare. Everyone is still (I hope) clear that sending an actual tank division across the Polish/Ukraine border would be met with nukes. So the question is, what is the largest most damaging attack that can be carried out without reprisal, and how do the participants find this out?

And of course, the ultimate in deniable attacks is one carried out by the enemy's own forces. Did cyberwarfare crash a US destroyer into a cargo ship? (Almost certainly not, but maybe next time). SWAT-ing is already established as a tactic; could suitably forged communications or "fake news" disseminated via the President lead to the SWAT-ing of a country? There are some suggestions that this applies to the Qatar situation.

Re:Hacks Raise Fear Over N.S.A.’s Hold on Cyberweapons by inetknght on Thursday June 29, 2017 @01:46PM (#14665300)
> Everyone is still (I hope) clear that sending an actual tank division across the Polish/Ukraine border would be met with nukes.

Only if those tanks are under foreign flags. If they're under "rebel" flags, then nobody cares.

Re:Hacks Raise Fear Over N.S.A.’s Hold on Cyberweapons by pyrale on Thursday June 29, 2017 @01:27PM (#14665096)
> SWAT-ing of a country

Iraq comes to mind, although the forged information came from the invading country's own services.

Re:Hacks Raise Fear Over N.S.A.’s Hold on Cyberweapons by marcosdumay on Thursday June 29, 2017 @02:16PM (#14665592)
That should come as a hint that state actors are not the only ones capable of deploying informational weapons.
Re:Hacks Raise Fear Over N.S.A.’s Hold on Cyberweapons by pjc50 on Thursday June 29, 2017 @02:10PM (#14665527)
I think Ahmed Chalabi played a key role there as well, and there are suggestions that he was an Iranian agent.
Re:Hacks Raise Fear Over N.S.A.’s Hold on Cyberweapons by cuckcuckspruce on Thursday June 29, 2017 @04:03PM (#14666409)
There's no denying that Ahmed Chalabi was an Iranian agent of influence, but whether he was working for the Iranian clandestine services is unknown.