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Re:Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Googl... by zer00eyz on Thursday June 22, 2017 @12:21PM (#14613312)
Here is the problem, because there is only one of two arguments you can make.

1. He was so inept as CEO that he was unaware of all (it is a big list) the shady things putting the company he was the majority share holder of at risk that he deserves to be fired and have it crash and burn.

2. He was aware of the bulk of the shady things, that makes him complicit. As an endorser of Ubers lager pattern of behavior and over all toxic culture, he deserves to be fired.

There is NO way to defend Kalanick without sounding like a shill.

Re:Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Googl... by sillysaurus3 on Thursday June 22, 2017 @12:54PM (#14613566)
If you have black and white views of the world, you're unlikely to live a nuanced life.

Accusations of shillage without evidence also isn't allowed here, for what it's worth. You didn't accuse, but the sentiment is annoying. I think "apologist" is the word you're looking for.

Your comment is like fallacy bingo. E.g. false dichotomies are rarely enumerated as "1" and "2", but I suppose that makes it easier to call out.

The most straightforward third option is that it's very hard to manage 14k employees or be aware of what all of them are doing. It's not a minor thing to overlook, but again, the information flow stopped at HR.

As for Greyball, it's possible that some lieutenant got it into their heads to use that program to evade regulators, rather than Kalanick himself. Remember, the program was developed under false pretenses.

The "Hell" program was developed to get insights into their competitor. Contrast this with their "Heaven" program which is a god's-eye view of every Uber on the road. They pushed it much too far by abusing Lyft's API, but collecting info about a competitor is a pretty standard thing for a startup to do.

The list goes on.

Re:Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Googl... by zer00eyz on Thursday June 22, 2017 @01:52PM (#14614003)
> If you have black and white views of the world, you're unlikely to live a nuanced life.

There is an old saying that we don't often use any more: "the fish stinks from the head".

On the other side we have this:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/nintendos-ceo-takes-50-...

Honestly who do you want to work for? Who should we be praising?

I know the choice is clear for me, and one that is very black and white.

Re:Waymo filing says Travis Kalanick knew engineer had Googl... by lovich on Thursday June 22, 2017 @01:54PM (#14614023)
These defenses don't stand when he is compensated as highly as he is. He also structured the shares in such a way as to maintain control even when selling off parts of the company. If you are going to absorb an oversized portion of the reward and make sure to keep overall control, then you need to accept the responsibility.