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Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by jobu on Monday June 19, 2017 @02:08PM (#14589012)
> When you "share" a story, you're just helping a spammer spam.

The spammers are getting really savvy about it too. I recently read an article in my feed that was interesting and funny, so I shared it. The next day my wife asked me why I shared that garbage site, and when I looked at it on her phone the formatting was completely different. It was now a 10 page article with a mess of ads and a paragraph or two of text on each page.

They created some decent content with a catchy headline. Then they seeded it out on social media and waited until it had "gone viral" before they crammed it full of shitty ads.

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by imron on Monday June 19, 2017 @08:04PM (#14591313)
Are you sure it wasn't just that you use an ad-blocker and your wife doesn't?

Every time I use a web browser without an ad blocker I'm surprised at how shitty the web experience is.

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by JoshMnem on Monday June 19, 2017 @08:15PM (#14591362)
I wonder if it's a referrer check. `if referrer == 'facebook': display_ads()`. That way the original viewer doesn't see the ad-filled page, but anyone clicking on the Facebook link does.
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @08:05AM (#14593868)
Yup, by default when you share a link using the official buttons it'll add tracking codes and referer query parameters to the request, easy to just slap on ads and crap if the link contains that.
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by Pxtl on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @09:37AM (#14594484)
I'm surprised FB hasn't handled this the same way Google penalizes you for hiding content from users that is present in for the bot.

If somebody is giving your users a 2nd-class experience, and you control the pipes, shouldn't you punish them?

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by markdown on Monday June 19, 2017 @08:42PM (#14591460)
The imgur method. Very annoying.
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by jxramos on Monday June 19, 2017 @03:02PM (#14589463)
Wow, I've yet to experience this, I'll have to keep an eye out for this sort of deception and recognize what is happening when it's happening. Good heads up.
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by wapz on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @05:40AM (#14593221)
Yeah I've made it a habit to never share or click any facebook stories anymore (anything that links to another site). If something interests me, I open up firefox with noscript and search for the site on google to find it. Not sure it's any better but I don't want FB to start spamming me with even more 'related' articles/sites.
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by Silhouette on Monday June 19, 2017 @06:10PM (#14590835)
Just to be clear, you're saying someone was complaining about a site that suddenly got popular through network effects and then started showing adverts to make some money off it... on Facebook?

Getting initial traction using free stuff and then introducing ads or other revenue streams later once you're big enough is pretty much the dominant business model online today, unless you are a vendor of real products or services for which you charge real money in return.

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by Stanleyc23 on Monday June 19, 2017 @06:35PM (#14590956)
I think your missing the time scale to which this is happening. what I understand is that it's an article that tries to have a good UX when the article has minimal traction let's say 15 visits per hour, but high share-ability and once the network effects takes over and you have 1500 visits per hour, you pump in the ads.

this is fundamentally different from the usual ad-supported website because the quantity of ads is consistent across all users.

it's a clever dark pattern IMO.

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by Silhouette on Monday June 19, 2017 @07:13PM (#14591110)
I understand the difference in timescales; I just don't see that much difference in the principle. Either it's reasonable to attract people based on free stuff and then monetize or it's not. I would agree that what is happening here is a dark pattern, but it's a dark pattern that has been the foundation for much of what people enjoy for "free" on the modern Web as well, so it doesn't seem particularly surprising to me that someone would try the same idea in a much accelerated process.
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by Stanleyc23 on Monday June 19, 2017 @08:14PM (#14591359)
ok a more grounded expectation is that this basically is a bait and switch tactic, which I believe (not 100% sure) is illegal in the US.

(edit below)

it has to do with the amount of value inherent to the value proposition. you can try to exact more value from a product and potentially degrade the experience as a result. that's legal because it's a competitive business decision, but at some point you misrepresent the value of the product you are offering my changing the experience too much.

its a hazy line to draw because I think in the OP, the user may not have minded a couple ads, but rather they were annoyed by the inundation of too many ads to the point where you can't experience the actual value proposition of the article. then it becomes "spam".

it is not sufficient to deem this as just another business practice. there are obviously "working" business models such as Ponzi schemes that are highly illegal.

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by Silhouette on Monday June 19, 2017 @09:56PM (#14591703)
This seems like a stretch. The site doesn't, as far as I'm aware, have any control over who links to them in any form, including Facebook shares. I think it's unjustified, not to mention totally impractical, to say that a site can never change content it's offering (for free, no less) after it's first been published, just in case someone already linked to it and didn't like the change.

It's also not at all unreasonable, again IMHO, for a site that didn't start with ads but suddenly receives an abnormally high level of traffic to introduce ads at that time. Someone has to pay the hosting bills, after all.

A better bet if this mechanism is being abused might be to establish some sort of standard whereby a link could include a checksum that would then be invalidated if the linked content subsequently changed. This way, anyone following the link (including any hosting sites that share that link) could confirm whether or not what they were seeing was what was originally linked. You could take this further with some sort of standardised changelog and last updated indicator that sites could make available if they wanted to, and having browsers that detected a mismatch in a checksummed link warn a user before displaying the page and include recent update information if the site provided it. Lots of details would need working out, though, and I'm not sure I see enough upside to justify the complexity and inconvenience.

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by manigandham on Monday June 19, 2017 @10:19PM (#14591766)
this is not bait and switch. 100% of the same content is there, even if the presentation is different. the site owner is able to change it at will, just like you can use an adblocker and change it yourself. cant say 1 method is acceptable while the other isnt.

also there's no explicit contract of delivery here, a headline alone doesn't confer that.

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by ianamartin on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @07:35AM (#14593697)
It's not bait-switch; it's not Ponzi; it's in no way illegal.

It's fucking douchebaggery though.

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by manigandham on Monday June 19, 2017 @10:17PM (#14591761)
Many clickbait/content spam sites use referring sources to change the article content into galleries to maximize revenue, especially if they're also promoting these stories as ads on social media and recommended content widgets.
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by Joof on Monday June 19, 2017 @04:35PM (#14590236)
So you're saying we need immutable facebook links?
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by danso on Monday June 19, 2017 @05:14PM (#14590517)
You mean, immutable pages -- it seems the link was the same (unless the spammer did a 301), it's just that it was loaded with ads after it became popular. FWIW, this is a reason Facebook uses to advocate for its Instant Articles platform (and Google advocates for its AMP).
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by dredmorbius on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @01:05AM (#14592332)
I'm finding tools such as the Internet Archive and archive.is (both of which preserve page formatting), or Instapaper, Pocket, or Outline.com (which don't) are useful in this regard.

There's also "reader mode" browser features.

Advertising must die.

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by taneq on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @08:05AM (#14593874)
What are these "ads" things you speak of? I seem to remember the term from back before I installed uBlock Origin but it's been so long...
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by dvtv75 on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @08:53PM (#14599803)
You've apparently been downvoted, but you raise a good point - although not the immediately obvious one:

I've been seeing ads that get through uBlock Origin in the last few days. Just a couple, I haven't bothered investigating it.

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by jwhitlark on Monday June 19, 2017 @05:36PM (#14590665)
Perhaps something like including a sha of the dom of the page in the link, then some js that won't display it if it doesn't match up? I can think of all sorts of problems with the idea, but as a seed it might be worth something.
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by creepydata on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @08:25AM (#14593999)
So real journals can't issue corrections?
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by GrinningFool on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @09:10AM (#14594304)
Once upon a time corrections were issued as separate articles. This was move because you didn't have to keep returning to the same article for ongoing corrections or updates. And publishers can be sure everyone reads the same article, when there's only one version.

This has the added bonus of not expecting the reader to come back to the article multiple times to ensure that they receive the latest

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by ge96 on Monday June 19, 2017 @05:21PM (#14590566)
When you first share a page Facebook seems to cache it once, and after that you have to tack on the ?v1 or something to the end of the same url to make Facebook re-scrape it or whatever you call it (to get OG meta tags/image to fill post).

Wonder if they could do something similar, cache the current contents of the page.

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by tyingq on Monday June 19, 2017 @10:25PM (#14591778)
Ahh, the AMP model. Once the big 4 or 5 move that way, we're almost back to the original AOL model of a privately held "internet". Funny how things circle round.
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by ge96 on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @04:24AM (#14592940)
I was just replying to that immutable thought and putting in spam crap but if it originates from facebook and not the people who posted the content... I don't know. I can't stand facebook but the ads are good haha (as a person advertising). Just a wall of crap, it's a time sink. Granted I waste time elsewhere anyway.
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by webtechgal on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @01:15AM (#14592358)
> we're almost back to the original AOL model of a privately held "internet".

The very thought makes me shudder.

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by corobo on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @09:49AM (#14594560)
On a related but only just tangent you can force refresh Facebook's cache of a page using their lint tool (now named debugger)

https://developers.facebook.com/tools/debug/

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by ge96 on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @05:44PM (#14598889)
Cool that's good to know, I wrote a url parser that builds the template pages and I hadn't factored in the addition of extra ? query parameters ahhh

Good thanks

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by itissid on Monday June 19, 2017 @03:20PM (#14589607)
that's so unsettlnng that its a big enough trend that companies/people can think of profiting this way. I always thought "majority" people would read whats under a link before sharing it and a few would just blindly share, but its the opposite!
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by kbenson on Monday June 19, 2017 @04:36PM (#14590249)
It's worse than just not reading it. The GP post is about reading it and finding it worthy, only to find that at some point after sharing it the original author edited it to add a lot of ads.
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by shostack on Monday June 19, 2017 @04:36PM (#14590245)
I'm curious--did you two view the site through different sources? I wonder if they were dynamically loading things based on where someone came from.
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by Andrenid on Monday June 19, 2017 @07:49PM (#14591248)
I've noticed sites doing exactly this.
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by corobo on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @09:47AM (#14594544)
Imgur for example is quite happy to show you the image and that alone if you view it directly. (As in via i.imgur.com/*.png)

Click the same direct image link from Facebook (Messenger in my example) and it'll redirect you to its full fat ad loaded page at best, at worst it'll just redirect you to its iOS/Android app listing with no way of actually seeing the damn image you clicked

Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by ouid on Monday June 19, 2017 @07:12PM (#14591106)
This explains a lot.
Re:Media Companies Are Getting Sick of Facebook by eecc on Monday June 19, 2017 @04:31PM (#14590218)
Link cropping?