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Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by pavel_lishin on Thursday June 15, 2017 @10:58AM (#14560990)
They might be less interested in the app itself, and more interested in the giant corpus of conversation stored therein.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by wonder_bread on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:17AM (#14561160)
Which brings the point, who would ever sign on to use Slack/continue to use Slack when Bezos & Co. could be scouring through your sensitive company conversations?
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by praneshp on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:33AM (#14561342)
Is it very different from running all your sensitive company code on Bezos & Co servers?
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by rhino369 on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:41PM (#14561974)
Do the AWS Master Service Agreements really not preclude Amazon from searching through your data for their own purposes?
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by hueving on Thursday June 15, 2017 @04:20PM (#14564019)
Isn't the only entity that could conclusively determine if the agreement has been violated the very one who would violate it?
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by wonder_bread on Thursday June 15, 2017 @01:18PM (#14562344)
It seems unlikely given that Amazon has been rapidly scaling up the services they offer, with some of them conveniently taking the form of companies who run their entire operation on AWS (i.e. Twilio with AWS Contact Center).

If somebody can prove me wrong, however, that would be lovely :)

Regardless though, expecting Amazon to refrain from taking the proprietary information they have access to (in any form) and drilling you into the ground with their own twist on it seems like a bad bet, just ask Nucleus.

Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by wonder_bread on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:42AM (#14561423)
I'll concede to that to a degree.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by pavel_lishin on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:35AM (#14561354)
Who would ever sign on to Slack/continue to use Slack when <different corporation> could be scouring through your sensitive company conversations? It's not like Slack can't do so now, if they chose.

Companies that don't want to entrust their sensitive conversations to Slack, etc., opt to use on-site Hipchat servers, or other means of communication. Amazon buying Slack doesn't significantly alter their calculus.

Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by wonder_bread on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:41AM (#14561410)
Slack isn't in the business of offering competing services based on the data that flows through their systems. Something you can't exactly say is true with Amazon.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by deegles on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:43AM (#14561437)
If Amazon wanted to be evil they have a lot more to work with than just chat conversations...
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by wonder_bread on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:33PM (#14561911)
"So what's one more thing"
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by deegles on Thursday June 15, 2017 @02:16PM (#14562911)
I get that you don't trust Amazon, but if you think they would protect your data less rigorously than Slack you really need to provide a more substantive argument.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by wonder_bread on Thursday June 15, 2017 @02:34PM (#14563091)
Truth be told I love Amazon for the innovation they've brought to most of the industries they've touched but it's like there's some aura of trust around them just because they have brought some of their might against Facebook and Google which seem to be considered the evil twins on HN.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by deegles on Thursday June 15, 2017 @03:30PM (#14563633)
What's wrong with that? I feel like they've earned a measure of trust. Sure, they're not perfect but no one is.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by paulcole on Thursday June 15, 2017 @04:13PM (#14563969)
Me! I don't care what Bezos & Co. are doing with my chat logs.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by jitix on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:05AM (#14561050)
Is all data on slack just available for viewing? If it were so I think its customers would have raised this as an issue by now.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by Cthulhu_ on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:16AM (#14561149)
You can go back through all of history in all Slack conversations as long as you pay the subscription fees, so yes. I'd expect Slack to put older conversations into cold storage too.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by 013a on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:48PM (#14562039)
They do store a complete history of messages for non-paying teams. You can test this by paying for a month of Standard on a team that is really old; the conversation history will immediately expand backward until the beginning of time. Stop paying and you're limited again.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by adamnemecek on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:16AM (#14561152)
You mean available to slack? Ofc, how else would search work?
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by jitix on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:23AM (#14561232)
I'd imagine that they have separate, encrypted siloed search indexes for each paying organization. Why would someone put sensitive information on Slack otherwise?
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by eduren on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:34AM (#14561348)
From what I've seen, there are plenty of companies that keep sensitive data out-of-band for just that reason, and have policies to keep it out of their Slacks.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by deegles on Thursday June 15, 2017 @03:33PM (#14563659)
Ironically, Slack is explicitly prohibited for internal use at Amazon.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by benjamincharity on Friday June 16, 2017 @06:15AM (#14567756)
Source?
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by adamnemecek on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:26AM (#14561258)
Doesn't seem like it

https://slack.com/security

Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by 1dundundun on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:28PM (#14561872)
Same reason we put all of our business on Google. Convenience.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by sillysaurus3 on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:30AM (#14561310)
Few organizations care. And those that do get left in the dust by organizations that don't.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by pavel_lishin on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:33AM (#14561341)
> Few organizations care. And those that do get left in the dust by organizations that don't.

Are you saying that organizations that care to keep secrets get left behind by those that don't?

That sounds kind of ridiculous.

Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by sillysaurus3 on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:13PM (#14561708)
We live in interesting times.

Organizations that refuse to use Slack are at a disadvantage. When employees show up and realize there's no Slack, they start to analyze all other company decisions. How much effort could be saved just by using Slack? Those secrets had better be important to justify this loss.

There are alternatives. Rocket Chat is self-hosted, and maybe it's sufficient. But second-place software will always feel second-place.

If your reasoning is solely "We are a company, so we have secrets," that's justifiable only in narrow domains, like a security company.

For the rest, and especially at startups, the strategic risk of revealing your secrets to Slack is counterbalanced by the fact that Slack can't take advantage of those secrets without committing suicide. The moment everyone stops trusting Slack, that trust is gone forever.

In the meantime, Slack has been a faithful steward. What are the risks? An employee could go rogue and steal the data. An acquirer like Amazon could use the data maliciously. Slack could get hacked and the data could be made available publicly.

Of those, getting hacked is the only relevant concern. Employees are unlikely to end their careers by stealing data. But if Slack's data is ever stolen and made public, everyone will have egg on their face simultaneously. That means it's less likely to be a disaster for any individual organization.

Talent has a way of sniffing out incongruities like this. When an organizational mandate doesn't pass the bullshit test, opinionated talent will usually try to change the situation, or leave. And opinionated talent tends to be effective talent.

When effective talent leaves, better watch out. You might have suddenly become one of those organizations that find it impossible to attract top performers.

To put it plainly, who would want to work someplace that puts the company's quality of life over the employee's over something so trivial?

Of the startups that will eventually survive, even if all of them revealed all of their operational and strategic insights simultaneously, they're unlikely to die. Or even be slowed down, really. Most startups are working on ideas that seem bad. That's why startup investing is hard. Revealing your seemingly-bad strategies to the world won't change much. And if your idea seems good, you tend to be entrenched. It's unlikely some other company could form and steal it from under you before you can execute on it.

In all but a handful of domains, we're left with repellant pseudo-justifications for avoiding the one tool that everybody uses. Hopefully those secrets were very important!

Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by stephenr on Thursday June 15, 2017 @01:13PM (#14562282)
> When employees show up and realise there's no Slack, they start to analyze all other company decisions.

If I hire you, and your concern is "why can't I use this one specific chat service", I hired the wrong fucking person.

Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by thomk on Thursday June 15, 2017 @03:34PM (#14563665)
No kidding, sheesus.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by ForHackernews on Thursday June 15, 2017 @02:24PM (#14562993)
I consider Slack a negative signal. I would be more likely to want to work at a company that just ran IRC.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by pc86 on Thursday June 15, 2017 @03:08PM (#14563452)
I help hire people and consider strong opinions about which chat service is used a negative signal.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by ForHackernews on Thursday June 15, 2017 @03:16PM (#14563518)
I don't have a strong opinion, but I do think using Slack shows that a company is vulnerable to chasing hype and eager to hop on bandwagons.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by ryeguy on Thursday June 15, 2017 @10:12PM (#14566150)
I don't see how you get that. Slack does tons of things IRC doesn't. IRC is not a valid replacement for the entirety of slack. To choose IRC means deciding that you don't need or want the rest of slack's features.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by ForHackernews on Friday June 16, 2017 @04:41AM (#14567479)
Exactly, how will our company be productive without emoji and embedded reaction gifs?
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by ryeguy on Friday June 16, 2017 @10:51AM (#14569503)
What about uploading files, video and voice chat, scrollable and searchable chat history, code snippet support? These are the reasons people use slack. To say IRC is a substitute means your company doesn't need to solve these problems (which is fine, they may not have them) or it means you're using a bunch of products together to solve them.

I don't get the stance that this is "hype" or a "bandwagon" at all.

Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by pc86 on Friday June 16, 2017 @08:56AM (#14568436)
What's a good way to get mobile notifications about an IRC message?
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by ForHackernews on Friday June 16, 2017 @09:06AM (#14568497)
Install an IRC client on your phone?

If this is just going to be a game of "let's list every feature Slack has bolted on to their chatroom" then I don't care to play.

Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by pc86 on Friday June 16, 2017 @10:39AM (#14569397)
That was a serious question, I'm not sure there's need for the snark.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by rpcope1 on Thursday June 15, 2017 @02:28PM (#14563026)
I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way and prefers IRC. :)
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by pavel_lishin on Thursday June 15, 2017 @01:25PM (#14562393)
> If your reasoning is solely "We are a company, so we have secrets," that's justifiable only in narrow domains, like a security company.

My friend's company used Hipchat over Slack for precisely that reason - they're a security company, one you've likely heard of.

Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by pm90 on Thursday June 15, 2017 @11:41AM (#14561413)
Public slack, yes. But you also have enterprise slack, which is hosted on an organizations' own machines. I imagine they don't have access to that data.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by marcc on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:28PM (#14561871)
There is currently no way to run Slack and store the messages on your owganizations own machines.
Re:Slack Said to Draw Interest from Amazon by mattl on Thursday June 15, 2017 @12:10PM (#14561674)
Hmm, it looks like they still host it.

https://slack.com/enterprise