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Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by sintaxi on Saturday June 10, 2017 @06:20PM (#14529507)
I suggest stop using google search altogether. https://duckduckgo.com/ is an excellent search engine and its trivial to make a google search via `!g` prefix when you are not finding what you are looking for.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by TheAceOfHearts on Saturday June 10, 2017 @06:48PM (#14529643)
I started using DDG a few months back and I've been very happy so far. Sometimes results aren't as great, so I just use !g to load Google. But even better, you can search across different websites! For example, !mdn for Mozilla Developer Network, or !yt for YouTube

Another thing you can do is use alternative browsers. On mobile I use Firefox Mobile, which has the benefit of allowing extensions, so you can install uBlock Origin! That makes a gigantic different in mobile web performance. On my laptop I've been using Safari as my main browser because it consumes far less memory, and it seems to handle mountains of tabs a lot better than Chrome.

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by nerdponx on Saturday June 10, 2017 @07:38PM (#14529838)
I actually find DDG results to be better and more relevant a lot of the time nowadays. The only thing Google really has an edge on (for my use) is searching for academic articles, because of Google Scholar.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by driverdan on Saturday June 10, 2017 @11:36PM (#14530477)
DDG used to be worse but now it's about even. Every time I get bad results on DDG and use !g I find equally bad results.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by Semaphor on Sunday June 11, 2017 @01:02AM (#14530710)
Can't agree. Almost always when DDG has only spam or useless results, !g gives me exactly what I looked for. I like DDG, especially the bangs, but Google still gives me way better results when I need them.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by nerdponx on Sunday June 11, 2017 @09:54AM (#14531957)
Out of curiosity, what are some examples? You can also submit feedback directly in the results, which the DDG team uses to improve their algorithms.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by Semaphor on Sunday June 18, 2017 @07:47AM (#14580245)
Just had an extremely horrendous example. Searching for "webpack 3" the first link doesn't mention "webpack" at all, only packweb and generally it's an absolutely useless result page.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22webpack+3%22&atb=v49-4&ia=web

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by DanBC on Sunday June 18, 2017 @07:59AM (#14580288)
Can you screenshot your results please, because mine are all webpack related.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by Semaphor on Sunday June 18, 2017 @11:06PM (#14584376)
https://imgur.com/a/oMWBC

But yeah, saw that I had south africa enabled. Still makes little sense but explains a bit why the result is so weird.

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by Semaphor on Sunday June 11, 2017 @01:47PM (#14532908)
IIRC most commonly it's coding related stuff.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by quantum_magpie on Saturday June 10, 2017 @10:51PM (#14530359)
Same experience. I switched 4 years ago, and the search results that I'm interested in were as good or better than google.

Except scientific articles. I've yet to find a service that comes anywhere close to Google Scholar, which I think is the most successful of their products for my use case.

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by takeda on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:53PM (#14530219)
Same experience here.

Sometimes though, I do have problems finding what I'm looking for (when it is obscure) so I pre-pend !g in front, but generally it's not much better ...

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by amelius on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:16PM (#14530122)
I'm using Android with Chrome, and there is no option to change the search engine to DDG :/

The only options are: Google, Bing, AOL, Yahoo, Ask.

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by GrinningFool on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:55PM (#14530228)
If you go to ddg in chrome they provide a link that will add ddg as a search provider.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by amelius on Sunday June 11, 2017 @03:33AM (#14531091)
It works, thanks!
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by takeda on Saturday June 10, 2017 @10:10PM (#14530258)
The sad thing is that AOL & Yahoo is really Bing, and Ask is I believe Google. So essentially it comes down to Google and Bing.

To get DDG you'll need to use a different browser like FF.

I actually blocked Chrome on my phone and started using FF once I noticed that Chrome was updating itself even though I was requiring manual updates. Play Store and Google Play Services do the same thing, but don't have a good alternative for them,

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by tallanvor on Sunday June 11, 2017 @06:04AM (#14531398)
Yahoo was using Bing from around 2010 to 2015. But since then they've been using a variety of sources - Bing, Google, and presumably their own, and I think it can mix the results.

Yahoo's search business was always odd... They had their own search, then switched to search powered by Google. Then they purchased Overture, which owned AlltheWeb and AltaVista. Overture had originally purchased AlltheWeb from FAST, who had pivoted into the enterprise space, and later got bought by Microsoft and integrated into SharePoint.

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by hoschicz on Sunday June 11, 2017 @04:54AM (#14531279)
DDG actually was using Yahoo as a serach provider and now uses Yandex. The ads on DDG are from the Yahoo network.

> AOL & Yahoo is really Bing What? I don't get that -- I don't know about AOL, but I thought that Yahoo does its own crawling (their Slurp bot)

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by takeda on Monday June 12, 2017 @09:43PM (#14542405)
AOL has Bing in the footer, Yahoo had Bing references in the source view when I checked, although it looks like what tallanvor said and they just return mix of search engines.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by ztjio on Sunday June 11, 2017 @08:08AM (#14531647)
They used to. That changed like 8 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Search
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by dingo_bat on Saturday June 10, 2017 @11:23PM (#14530444)
Try Samsung internet. It has ddg by default. Also you can install ad blockers for it from the play store.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by reactor on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:57PM (#14530232)
I have been looking to do the same, but so far no luck.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by amelius on Sunday June 11, 2017 @03:33AM (#14531092)
See comment above for a fix.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by 65827 on Saturday June 10, 2017 @06:21PM (#14529517)
I moved off of gmail a few months ago, pretty happy about that but man duckduckgo fucking suuuucks. Really wish there was a nonprofit (with a strong privacy policy) wikipedia like .org solution that provided good results.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by Twirrim on Saturday June 10, 2017 @06:26PM (#14529542)
What problems are you running in to? I've been using duckduckgo at work for just over a year now (took a change of job as an ideal time to try a complete switch in search engine too), and it has been excellent. I've been getting almost as good results as I do from google on even from some fairly vague terms, and comparable to Google when I give it explicit text to search for. Unlike Google it also seems to pay a lot more attention to searching for what I'm asking for, instead of trying to play guessing games.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by floatboth on Saturday June 10, 2017 @07:15PM (#14529748)
DDG does kinda suck at finding specific programming things sometimes. The results are just not as good for the more obscure and rare stuff.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by takeda on Saturday June 10, 2017 @10:17PM (#14530280)
This is because Google also tries to build a profile for you and serves different results based on that, while DDG will return the same thing for the same keywords to different people.

For searches in specific domains it is better to use bangs. For example prefixing with !py shows results from python manual.

Here's more about it: https://duckduckgo.com/bang

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by dingo_bat on Saturday June 10, 2017 @11:22PM (#14530442)
I've found this to be true for Bing too. For general search, it matches Google in accuracy. But in the case when I want to find a specific compilation error, only Google gives me useful results. But I still use Bing, and switch to Google only for such stuff.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by confounded on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:45PM (#14530196)
https://startpage.com (there are others) is a good way to get google results without directly feeding the beast.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by quadrangle on Saturday June 10, 2017 @06:55PM (#14529672)
I always search for things on duckduckgo and basically always find good enough results. I can only guess that everyone who thinks the results are bad has been using Google so much that they get really user-specific results that they like, despite the bubble.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by mastazi on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:49PM (#14530207)
Oh yeah it sucks. The main problem for me is the broken autocomplete. E.g. you want to search "Sydney Thai Restaurants"; you start typing "Sydney Thai res" and you click the first suggestion because duckduckgo is auto-completing the word "restaurants"... except now your search is "London Thai Restaurant".

https://imgur.com/a/V9I4o

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by contras1970 on Sunday June 11, 2017 @09:43AM (#14531924)
the thing is, if you expect DevOps- and testing-related results to a cucumber chef query[0], the search provider really needs to keep a file on you. otherwise you're going to get pages and pages of salad, end of story. this was the nature of the loss of relevancy i saw in DDG results when i started using it several years ago. instead of complaining about it, i took it as a wakeup call to the severity of my google bubble problem.

[0] https://hn.algolia.com/?query=cucumber%20chef%20salad&sort=b...

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by dandelion_lover on Sunday June 11, 2017 @10:36AM (#14532085)
Take a look at http://yacy.net. Though the 'good results' part is missing yet, due to (I believe) too few nodes.

Upd: and https://github.com/asciimoo/searx

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by amelius on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:17PM (#14530128)
What mail service are you using now?
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by corobo on Sunday June 11, 2017 @03:21AM (#14531064)
Not OP but I recently switched to Fastmail myself. It's web interface is a bit bland but you can use IMAP/SMTP and your device's built in client if that's an issue

Liking it so far, really liking being able to attach my domains natively to my inbox

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by gkya on Sunday June 11, 2017 @05:15PM (#14533827)
Not OP, but I switched to my domain provider's email service. I use IMAP on my phone and POP3 on my computer, so when I'm away I can sneak-peek via the phone, but when I'm at my computer I pop the messages and classify locally, which removes them from the server. The cheapest mail service out there is about $5/mo, but this way all I pay is the annual renewal about $10.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by corobo on Sunday June 11, 2017 @03:16AM (#14531055)
Having been camping in a field for the past week but still needing my internet fix I think I'm going to start giving ddg a real chance (still hate the name though) until Google gives me a setting to disable AMP results

I get the idea behind AMP but it's just far too late to the game for Google to be pushing it so heavily. Back on 2G internet I used Opera Mini, I don't use that now because I just don't need it anymore

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by IshKebab on Sunday June 11, 2017 @08:26AM (#14531702)
Well lucky you for having an impossibly great internet connection. Do you seriously never go anywhere with slightly less-than-perfect coverage? Or travel by train?

AMP is so much faster than 90% of websites 90% of the time I can see why Google push it so much.

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by corobo on Sunday June 11, 2017 @11:37AM (#14532341)
Impossibly great? I'm not saying everything responds instantly but usually there's either signal or there isn't.

AMP pages don't work offline just as much as regular internet

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by IshKebab on Monday June 12, 2017 @07:44AM (#14536461)
Not my experience at all. And even with good signal many heavy news sites take a long time to load.

For example this mobile speed test puts theverge.com at 21 seconds to load! That matches my experience. You can't tell me AMP is as slow as that. It's not even close.

https://gtmetrix.com/reports/theverge.com/Qli1RH8u

In my experience AMP pages load in 2-3 seconds, even with bad signal.

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by mrkgnao on Sunday June 11, 2017 @03:49AM (#14531131)
What made me move back to Google from DDG is the (by construction?) inability of the latter to learn what you're interested in. For things like documentation search, Google quickly starts tailoring results to $LANG.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by throwaway-1209 on Sunday June 11, 2017 @12:18AM (#14530607)
DDG is a wrapper on top of Bing. Maybe just skip the middleman and use Bing instead?
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by quadrangle on Sunday June 11, 2017 @02:38AM (#14530977)
Then you'd get bubbled and tracked just like if you use Google, although you'd avoid AMP. DDG uses Bing and other sources, it's not literally just a wrapping of Bing.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by floatboth on Sunday June 11, 2017 @09:44AM (#14531925)
Not just Bing. They use many sources and I think they do some indexing on their own. IIRC Yandex is one of the sources too.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by terrestrial on Sunday June 11, 2017 @12:43AM (#14530681)
Does Bing have "bangs" such as !gm for Google Maps, !gh for GitHub, !wa for WolframAlpha and so on? With no user tracking?

I was a heavy user of address bar search prefixes, but it's amazingly convenient to not have to think about it until the very end of a query (or even add it in the middle).

Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by twsted on Sunday June 11, 2017 @04:28AM (#14531220)
That's not true.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by geordee on Sunday June 11, 2017 @09:07AM (#14531822)
I guess I'll try DuckDuckGo for a while (annoyed by AMP).
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by accountyaccount on Saturday June 10, 2017 @09:14PM (#14530115)
Tried it for like 3 hours and got angry about how bad it is.
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by paulcole on Saturday June 10, 2017 @10:43PM (#14530347)
If a search engine needs a shortcut to use another search engine, how good can it really be?
Re:Please Make Google AMP Optional by rvense on Sunday June 11, 2017 @03:07AM (#14531038)
DDG is probably worse than Google, but often it's good enough.

The !commands allow you to search more specific sites directly - if I know I want Wikipedia, which I often do, I can just type !w and search it directly. Similar for other things like IMBD, Wolfram Alpha, etc. It's just a convenience.

You can also search Google using a command, which is sometimes necessary when you're really crawling the depths of the internet for something old or weird, but nine times out of ten the straight DDG results will get you where you need in my experience.