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Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by devrandomguy on Monday June 05, 2017 @04:46PM (#14491814)
If you change your browser's UserAgent string to Googlebot, then your client will be treated as a first-class citizen, by many of these sites. Google always wins, so let's all be Google.
Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by Xeoncross on Monday June 05, 2017 @04:58PM (#14491964)
Works great until you stumble on one of the big sites who will auto-ban you for not having a valid Google IP address.
Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by Spivak on Monday June 05, 2017 @05:55PM (#14492551)
* Reverse DNS records. Webmasters shouldn't be verifying Google's bots by hard coding IP addresses.

https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/80553?hl=en

Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by imron on Monday June 05, 2017 @06:49PM (#14492998)
Shouldn't != never happens
Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by dredmorbius on Monday June 05, 2017 @06:51PM (#14493012)
CIDR blocks and ASN advertisments are cheap.

Update those periodically (hours / days / weeks). The adverts don't change particularly quickly.

Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by dmn001 on Monday June 05, 2017 @05:58PM (#14492588)
It's extremely rare to be ip-blocked by any website just for using the Google's user agent from a non-specific range. IP's get re-used and you can switch to a new one easily, so it's really not common or good practice for this to happen.
Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by kbenson on Monday June 05, 2017 @09:32PM (#14494025)
> IP's get re-used and you can switch to a new one easily, so it's really not common or good practice for this to happen.

On the flip side, some people can't change their IP addresses easily, and getting IP banned (even if rare because of the reasons you stated) is actually a major hassle when it actually happens for those people. :/

Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by devrandomguy on Monday June 05, 2017 @05:07PM (#14492060)
Is that really a thing? That must be such a hazard for their developers. I usually have a test for sites that I work on, that scrapes a few URLs as Googlebot, to verify that they are getting an optimized view (no JS, structural-only css).
Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by Normal_gaussian on Monday June 05, 2017 @05:34PM (#14492328)
God. That's the reason so many sites look great in the results and are confusing interactive messes when I get into them.
Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by devrandomguy on Monday June 05, 2017 @05:37PM (#14492363)
If it's any consolation, the site is well tested in Noscript mode.
Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by SomeCallMeTim on Monday June 05, 2017 @06:01PM (#14492605)
You sir are a god among Web developers.

If only they all did this. So many sites I get to and they're a blank page or an absolute disaster....

Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by ChuckMcM on Monday June 05, 2017 @05:36PM (#14492349)
Yes. Googlebot only crawls from legit addresses (even when their developers are trying new things) so it's an easy scraper/scammer signal to key off of.
Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by dmn001 on Monday June 05, 2017 @06:03PM (#14492623)
No. Most websites don't do this.
Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by ipsum2 on Monday June 05, 2017 @05:22PM (#14492226)
I just tried this, doesn't work on WSJ. Tried the user agents listed here: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/1061943?hl=en
Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by bduerst on Monday June 05, 2017 @05:36PM (#14492348)
Isn't that what the entire article is about? That WSJ no longer gives access to Google users (and bots)?
Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by mirimir on Monday June 05, 2017 @07:43PM (#14493385)
No. It allows Google bots to see full articles, but shows only the first paragraph or so to non-subscribers. Even if they're coming from Google search results.

However, I don't see cache links on Google :(

Edit: Oops, I'm wrong. The article does say that the Google bot only sees the first paragraph or so.

Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by Jimmie_Rustle on Monday June 05, 2017 @08:01PM (#14493512)
No. You're wrong, as it states in the article:

"The reason: Google search results are based on an algorithm that scans the internet for free content. After the Journal’s free articles went behind a paywall, Google’s bot only saw the first few paragraphs and started ranking them lower, limiting the Journal’s viewership."

Re:WSJ Ends Google Users' Free Ride, Then Fades in Search Re... by mirimir on Monday June 05, 2017 @09:31PM (#14494024)
Yes, you're right. I got confused by all the discussion about Google checking for cloaking by comparing results using different user agents.

So maybe this is why there's no Google cache.

Also, if Google can only index the first few paragraphs, the results are much less comprehensive.